Vanessa Gutierrez- Class Identity

1. The distinction between owners and employees is that owners have a business and gain profit when employees give their labor to them. To keep the wealth going for them even though they are stock holders as well.

2. Everyone has a role and function in society, and we all can compare our work, but we are all helping each other. Surviving as a community to fulfill each other’s need,s even if that means working for others.

3. I do understand it might not just be an identity because the world is always changing. How much you are gaining right now and a year from now, the value changes; there’s always more to what it seems. Being in the working class comes with how you fit into this grid of who makes profit and survives capitalism.

Alan Dutra – Class, Capital, and Labor Discussion (4.2)

  1. Parenti’s Capital and Labor distinguishes owners as those who live primarily off income generated from investments, such as stocks, rent, and corporate profits, while employees seel their labor in exchange for wage and salaries. Owners derive their wealth from the labor of others, not from their own work. For example a corporate shareholder who recieves quarterly dividends without performing labor is an owner. On the other side, a teacher or factory worker who earns a salary for their labor is an employee. Even high-paid professionals like executives or lawyers, unless they live off investment income, are still technically employees.
  2. Adam Smith’s quote, that labor is the “real price” of commodities, emphasizes that all value in goods ultimately comes from the human labor used to produce them. Money is merely a symbol or medium, but what truly gives something value is the work that goes into creating it. This emphasizes the idea that workers are the foundational producers of wealth, and yet, under capitalism, they recieve only a fraction of the value they create while owners profit disproportionately from their labor.
  3. “Heideman’s Class Rules Everything Around Me” argues that class is not just an identity like race or gender but a structural relationship based on material dependence and control over production. I believe this distinction is important due to the fact that it highlights how class is not just about a shared lifestyle or income, but about power, who owns, who works, and how society is organized around that division.
  4. The “close form of dependency” refers to the direct, ongoing relationship between workers and capitalists: workers depend on capitalists for jobs, while capitalists depend on workers to generate profit. This is unlike other identities, where group membership doesn’t necessarily imply such a direct power relationship. For example a warehouse worker and the corporate owner are locked in a relationship where the former’s survival depends on wages, and the owner’s profit depends on extracting more labor for less pay. This structural dependency is a source of exploitation and potential power for workers when they organize collectively.

Owners and Employees

Ronald C. Hinds June 12, 2025

POL 100 Sec A050

Discussion Board 4.2 [For Reading 4.3]

  1. What is the distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees? Give an example of each.
  2. Owners come in many stripes:
  • Wealthy stockholders of huge corporations like Warren Buffett and
  • Struggling proprietors of small stores like Star Pharmacy, the mom and pop pharmacy, in my neighborhood.

According to Michael Parenti over 30,000 small businesses go under every year. Forty three percent, 43%, of small businesses closed during the COVID 19 pandemic. Of course employment was down because of the lockdown.

The small businesses are very fragile.

  1. The employee class includes the “middle” or “upper middle class” men and women who may be professionals or managers. 
  • Professionals like ball players and cricketers.
  • Factory workers.
  • Service workers in hospitality.
  • Essential workers including hospital and transportation workers.

Some of these top layered professionals put away some of their huge earnings, and invest in bonds. They may eventually live off the returns of their investments. They are not, however, owners of the means of production and according to Marxists, are not part of the capitalist class.

  1. How do you understand the quote by Adam Smith? What is it saying about labor?

Adam Smith posits that labor is the standard governing the value of all commodities and that labor is the real price. He uses the making of furniture as an example to explain his point. Labor goes into the harvesting of the cedarwood tree, the making of the axes to fell the tree, the making of other tools by the blacksmith and the plane to level (shape) the cedarwood, the manufacturing, in the workshop, of the outdoor furniture, the advertising, the selling of the furniture and the cost of shipping the finished product to the buyer.

Money, he states, is the nominal price. Labor is the real price of the piece of the furniture.

3.What are your thoughts on the main argument of Reading 4.4 that class is NOT an identity?

Class is not an identity by which we should measure someone. In bourgeois society, class is defined by a hierarchical position, just like the rungs on a ladder. 

Marxists think of society as divided into two classes: 

c. The capitalist class which owns the means of production 

d. The workers who sell their labor to the capitalist for money.

In the Marxist understanding of class “what you have determines what you get”.

My thoughts on the main argument are that I agree. The capitalist depends on the worker and vice versa. The capitalist needs the worker to generate his wealth and the worker needs the capitalist to buy his daily bread.

The snobbery of some white upper-middle class customers who heap scorn on a black furniture maker who did not finish his high school education, and is from a low socio-economic class and lives in the ghetto, smacks of class hypocrisy. Such a view of a guy eating an anniversary dinner with his family at a restaurant and using the wrong fork to eat his dessert, smacks of class hypocrisy from the upper-middle class patrons.

4.How do you understand the argument Reading 4.4. makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”? What is this close form of dependency, and can you think of an example?

Henry Ford has his coal mines. Ford needs labor to extract coal from his mines to fill his coffers. Labor produces the goods for consumption. The only thing that the laborer has to sell is his labor. The laborer needs money to provide for his family. President Abraham Lincoln, Honest Abe, the signer of the Emancipation Proclamation, is quoted as saying “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”. This dependency is not fair because the worker is paid only a fraction for the sweat of his labor. The capitalist pockets the rest. He calls it surplus and, with a glint in his eyes, he hauls it away to JP Morgan Chase.

“Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideration”.

Tatianna Rodriguez – class and dependency

  1. The main difference between owners and employees, according to Reading 4.3, is about who controls the resources that produce things. Owners have the stuff like factories, land, or machines and they make money because they own these things. Employees don’t own any of that, so they have to sell their labor to the owners to get paid. For example, a business owner who runs a factory is an owner, while the people working on the factory floor are employees. The owner controls the factory, but the workers sell their time and effort to get a paycheck.
  2. The quote by Adam Smith is basically saying that labor is the real source of all value. What that means is, when people work whether it’s making stuff, farming, or building they’re the ones creating the wealth. Without labor, things wouldn’t have value because it’s the effort and work put into something that gives it worth. So, it’s highlighting how important workers are, since their labor is what actually produces everything we depend on.
  3. I think the main argument in Reading 4.4 that class isn’t just another identity really makes sense when you look closely. Unlike things like race or gender, which are about who you are, class is more about your relationship to the economy like whether you own stuff that makes money or if you have to sell your labor to survive. So, class isn’t just a label or a group you belong to. It’s a whole system that shapes your life, what choices you have, and what kind of power you hold. The reading makes a strong point that because capitalists control resources and workers depend on them, class creates a unique kind of power dynamic one that’s way more than just an identity like race or gender. In other words, while class can shape identity, it’s primarily about real material conditions and relationships, which means fighting class inequality means challenging those systems not just recognizing it as a social category.
  4. The reading’s argument that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” means that workers and capitalists rely directly on each other in a way that deeply connects their lives. Workers depend on capitalists because they need a job to earn money and survive. At the same time, capitalists depend on workers to produce goods or services so they can make profits. This is different from other social categories like race or gender, where your identity doesn’t depend on a specific person or group you interact with daily. But with class, your survival or success depends on that ongoing relationship if the capitalist stops hiring or the workers stop working, the whole system is affected. An example could be a factory worker who depends on the factory owner for a paycheck, while the owner depends on the worker to keep the machines running and make products. Neither can really thrive without the other, but their interests often clash because the owner wants to pay as little as possible, and the worker wants better pay and conditions. So this dependency is close and direct it’s like a two way connection that shapes both sides actions and power.

Mark Castro Discussion 4.2

Reading 4.3 by Michael Parenti explains that the main distinction between owners and employees is control over production and profit. Owners (capitalists) control the businesses, land, or machines that generate wealth. They make money through ownership, not labor. Employees (workers), on the other hand, don’t own what they produce. They work for a wage, and their labor creates profit for the owner.

For example, Jeff Bezos is an owner he makes billions not from working in a warehouse, but from owning Amazon. A warehouse worker at Amazon is an employee they do the physical work, but Bezos earns a portion of the value they produce.

Adam Smith’s quote on page 28 says that labor is the real source of all wealth, not gold, silver, or property. This means that everything valuable in society buildings, food, clothes, technology comes from human work. Without labor, nothing gets produced.

The quote reminds us that workers are essential to the economy, yet they often get paid less than the value they create. It’s pointing out a contradiction: workers create wealth, but it’s the owners who benefit most.

I agree with the argument that class is not an identity, but a social relationship based on economic power. The reading argues that class is not about what you wear, how you talk, or where you come from it’s about your position in the economy. Are you someone who owns and profits from the labor of others, or are you someone who sells your labor to survive?

This perspective is important because it shifts our focus from personal traits to systemic structures. It’s not about how someone “feels” about their class, but about the economic forces shaping their life. Class is about power and control, not just culture.

The “close form of dependency” means that capitalists and workers need each other, but in very unequal ways. Owners depend on workers to make their businesses run, and workers depend on owners to provide jobs so they can survive. This relationship creates a built-in power imbalance owners can replace workers, but workers can’t easily replace their source of income.

A good example is during the COVID-19 pandemic. Workers in delivery, healthcare, and grocery stores were labeled “essential,” but many still received low wages and poor benefits. The economy depended on them, but they had little control or power. That’s the dependency the reading is talking about it’s real, but it’s not equal.

Mimi Shaw — Discussion 4.2

  1. Reading 4.3 distinguishes owners and employees based on their source of income and their relationship to labor. Owners, often wealthy individuals or families, earn income from investments such as stocks, bonds, rents, and royalties. They profit from the labor of others rather than working themselves. An example of an owner would be a stockholder in a large corporation. Employees, on the other hand, earn their income through wages, salaries, or fees in exchange for their labor.
  2. Adam Smith’s quote emphasizes that labor is the true source of value. He argues that it is labor, not money, that gives products their real worth. From harvesting and manufacturing to distributing and selling, it is the human effort behind each stage that transforms raw materials into valuable goods. Money is only a symbolic measure; the actual “price” of a product is the amount of labor that went into making it.
  3. Reading 4.4 makes the important argument that class is not simply a personal identity or label, but a social relationship based on material conditions and economic roles. Class is about one’s position in relation to the means of production whether you own capital or must sell your labor. This means that class is not about how someone feels or identifies, but about their role in the economic system. Understanding class this way helps clarify why economic inequality persists: it is built into the structure of capitalism itself, not just individual choices or behaviors.
  4. The “close form of dependency” described in Reading 4.4 refers to the mutual dependence between owners and employees. Owners depend on workers to produce goods and generate profits, while workers depend on owners to provide jobs and wages. This relationship keeps both classes tied to one another, but not on equal terms. For example, in a factory, the owner needs the labor of workers to run machines and meet production goals, while the workers need the factory job to afford rent, food, and other essentials. This tight dependency maintains the structure of capitalism and reinforces inequality.

Unpacking Class- Amber Ashley

1. Owners are those who own the big companies that the employees work for. An example of owners would be CEOs, investors, and business owners. Owners do not generate their wealth through hard labor or working themselves but instead they make their money by controlling the labor of others, those being the employees.  An example of employees would be retail workers, factory workers, and anyone in the working class. They make their wealth by working themselves.

2. What I understand from the quote on pg28 is that Adam expressed that labor is the foundation of value. He basically explains that the value of a product is based on the labor put into it. 

3.  I agree with the main argument, that class is not an identity. Class is a set of social relations and economic positions that shape people’s lives in complex ways. Class is a system that organizes society and should not be mistaken as a culture.  

4. When it’s being said that class structures are built around a closer form of dependency, this is basically letting us know that both parties, employees and owners,  are both heavily dependent on each other. A close form of dependency is when neither parties could survive without the other.  An example of this is a store owner being heavily dependent on their employees to keep their store running and making money. Without them the store owner will not get paid and be able to pay their employees. 

Yiying Wu-Class Structures-Module 4.2

1.Owners make money from investments. Their wealth comes from other people’s work. The text gives an example of wealthy stockholders who own giant corporations. These people get rich because others work for them. For example, Jeff Bezos, who owns shares in Amazon and profits from the labor of hundreds of thousands of employees. On the other hand, employees make money from their own work. They earn wages, salaries, and fees by doing jobs. They must work to survive. The text mentions factory workers, service workers, professionals, and managers as examples. 

The main difference is not how much money people make. For example, a warehouse worker at Amazon who packs boxes, creates value, and earns wages, but does not benefit from the full profit their labor produces. 

2.Adam Smith’s quote explains that labor creates all economic value. He says labor is “the ultimate and real standard” for measuring the value of everything we buy and sell. Money prices are just numbers on the surface. The real value comes from the human work that went into making things. Without human work, the tree stays just a tree. Labor transforms it into something people will pay for. This is why Smith says labor is the real source of value, not money.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​ The text shows this idea with a simple example. A tree in the forest has no economic value by itself. It becomes valuable paper or furniture only when people work on it. Workers must harvest the tree, cut the lumber, and manufacture the final product.

3.Heideman argues that liberals who dismiss class politics as “just another form of identity politics” misunderstand what socialists mean by class. Class is a structural relationship, not just a category people belong to. While race or gender are identities people have, class is a position that forces people to act in certain ways. Workers must sell their labor to survive. Bosses must exploit workers to stay profitable. So class politics isn’t “identity politics for workers. It’s about changing the basic structure of how society works. For example, A nurse and a tomato picker may have very different incomes and education levels, but they occupy the same structural position because they both must sell their labor to survive.

4.The “Close Form of Dependency”This means class relationships create direct, ongoing dependence between specific people. Workers depend on particular bosses for jobs. Bosses depend on particular workers for profit. They’re stuck together in ongoing relationships. Everyone depends on capitalists because they control the factories, offices, and resources we all need. For example, A factory town where the main employer threatens to close unless they get tax breaks. The workers need that specific job. The boss needs those specific workers. But the whole town – stores, schools, government becomes dependent on keeping that boss satisfied. Everyone gets forced to accept the boss’s demands, even if it means accepting environmental damage, lower wages, or reduced public services. 

Sara Ahmed El-Sayed – Discussion Board 4.2

1. Reading 4.3 explains that the difference between owners and employees is where their money comes from. Owners make money from things like stocks, rent, or businesses they own. They don’t have to work to earn money because they live off what other people produce for them. Employees, on the other hand, have to work to survive. They get paid through wages or salaries. For example, someone who owns multiple buildings and makes money from rent is part of the owning class. But someone who works at a hospital, restaurant, or store is part of the working class, even if they make good money, because they still depend on a job.

2. The quote by Adam Smith is basically saying that labor is what gives something value. A tree by itself isn’t worth much, but once someone cuts it, turns it into wood, makes it into furniture, and ships it out, it becomes valuable. All of that comes from labor. I think this quote is showing how important workers are. They create the value, but they only get a small portion of the money. The rest goes to the owner or company, even though the owner didn’t actually do the physical or mental work to create the product.

3. I agree with the argument in Reading 4.4 that class isn’t just an identity. It’s not like race or gender where it’s about how you feel or how people treat you. Class is about who owns stuff and who has to work to survive. Just because someone says they’re middle class doesn’t mean they’re part of the owning class. If you rely on a paycheck and don’t own big investments or a company, then you’re part of the working class. The reading made me realize that class is more about power and control, not just a label people use to describe themselves.

4. When the reading says class is based on a “close form of dependency,” I think it means that workers and bosses need each other, but not in an equal way. Workers depend on the boss for a job and a paycheck, but the boss depends on the workers to keep the business running. An example of this is Amazon. The company depends on their workers to pack and ship products, but the workers depend on Amazon to get paid. If the workers go on strike, Amazon loses money. So even though the boss has more power, the workers still have the ability to fight back if they’re organized.

Diana Sadreeva – Discussion 4.2

1. In Reading 4.3, a distinction is made between owners and employees. Owners generate their income through the labor of their employees, while employees work to grow the owners’ businesses. For example, a wealthy and large corporation, such as Chase Bank, makes approximately $177.6 billion in annual revenue. Meanwhile, the average employee at Chase earns around $75,000 per year, with top earners making up to $220,000. Although these employees work in the same building and company daily, their earnings are significantly lower than those of the shareholders and top executives who profit most from the business’s growth.

2. Adam Smith says that labor is the true source of a company’s value. Wealthy individuals would not achieve their status without the work performed by their employees, whether for their businesses or other investments. It is the outcome and success of the business that holds real significance, money only reflects the status of that success.

    3. I think Paul Heidman made some excellent points, describing how most people like to categorize themselves into a class of identity based on race or gender, but need to realize that there is much more to a person through their actions and position in society. He explains that class is much more than how you describe yourself, it is a structure of what your position is and reflects how people relate to work, ownership, and power, not their personality.


    4. This argument, “class structures are built around a close form of dependency,” describes that each class is dependent on the others. Owners need their workers to help keep their business alive by using their time, labor, and skills. The workers need the owners to get a job to survive and make money through the owners. The owners typically do have more control and power, but both owners and workers are mutually needed in society. This is where your role in the system is more defined.