HAMZA TAZOUTI-Class and Labor in Society

1-Within Reading 4.3, the text describes how financial wealth is obtained differently by diverse individuals. Experts claim that the methods of obtaining wealth differ significantly between groups. While an owner gains earnings from property and investment holdings, an employee receives payment through a fixed salary. Financial gains are acquired through property ownership by some individuals. Because a retail service provider receives an hourly wage, that retail service provider functions as an employee rather than an owner.

2-The statement from Adam Smith suggests that labor generates all intrinsic worth. Many people believe that physical effort remains the primary source of all created things. Intrinsic worth is generated by labor within the marketplace. Even though money exists, money alone cannot produce manufactured goods without the action of a person. When a person transforms raw timber into household equipment, that person gives the item value. Labor is significant because profit disappears when no person is present to perform the tasks.

3-Regarding Reading 4.4, the argument states that class should not be confused with personal self-image. It has been observed that class remains separate from how a person views themselves. A person’s life possibilities are shaped by financial status. While an individual might not choose the label of the working group, the financial status of that individual dictates their daily existence. Class involves the ownership of a commercial enterprise or the necessity of performing tasks for a wage.

4-The phrase “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” in Reading 4.4 indicates that different groups rely on one another. Experts claim that the connection between an owner and an employee is inescapable. Mutual reliance is required for the system to continue. Because an employee requires a wage to maintain existence, that employee seeks a working position under an owner. When a dining establishment requires labor to keep functioning, the owner depends on the tasks performed by the employee.

Discussion Board 4.2

1. Reading 4.3 makes a distinction between owners and employees based on how they make their money. Owners make money from the work that other people do, while employees make money by working for wages. For example, a business owner who hires workers and makes profit from their labor would be an owner, while someone working a regular job and getting paid hourly or salary would be an employee.

2. The quote by Adam Smith is basically saying that labor is what creates value. Without workers doing the actual work, there wouldn’t be any products or profit. It shows how important labor is, even though workers don’t always get the full value of what they produce.

3. I think the argument in Reading 4.4 that class is not an identity makes sense. It’s saying that class is more about your position in the economy rather than something you personally identify with, like race or gender. People might not always think about their class, but it still affects their opportunities and experiences.

4. When Reading 4.4 says that class structures are built around a close form of dependency, I understand that as people depending on each other in the economy. Workers depend on employers for jobs and income, while employers depend on workers to keep their business running and make profit. An example of this would be a company where workers need their pay to survive, but the company also needs those workers to function.

Vanessa Peralta- Social Class

  1. The difference between owners and employees is the owners are people who own businesses and make money. Employees are people who have to work to get paid, they earn money by working. For example, an owner is someone who owns a company while an employee is someone who works at the company.

2. The Adam Smith quote means that work is what really makes things valuable. Money doesn’t create value people working do. For example, a tree only becomes paper or furniture because people cut it down and make it into something useful. The quote is saying that workers create value, even if they don’t get paid for all of it. 

3. I totally agree that class is not an identity. Your income should not define who you are. I do understand that income does define your quality of life and can open doors of opportunities. It feels unfair for people to be viewed differently just because they weren’t raised with the same money or opportunities. For example a rich person can be a criminal and a poor person can be the most humble. Money can’t buy the kind of person someone is. 

4. I believe that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” means that owners and employees depend on each other to flow. Employees depend on owners for there income. Owners depend on workers to do the work so the business makes money. They both need each other, but the owner has more power.

DEVIKA AGASEN

  1. In Reading 4.3, Michael Parenti explains that the main difference between owners and employees is where their income comes from. OwnerSs which is the capitalist class, live mostly off investments and the labor of other people. Employees, on the other hand, have to work for wages or salaries to survive. In simple terms, owners make money because other people work for them. Employees make money by working themselves. For example, a person who owns a large company and earns income from stocks, property, or business profits would be considered an owner. A factory worker, nurse, teacher, or office worker who depends on a paycheck would be considered an employee. The key difference is not just how much money they make , it’s whether they live off investments or off their own labor.

2. Parenti quotes Adam Smith saying that labor is the “real price” of things. I understand this as meaning that all value comes from human work. Money itself doesn’t create value , people do. For example, a tree in the forest doesn’t automatically become paper or furniture. It becomes valuable because workers cut it down, transport it, process it, design it, and sell it. Without labor, there would be no finished product. So the quote is basically saying that labor is the true source of wealth in society. Money is just a way of measuring that value, but it’s people’s work that actually creates it.

3. In Reading 4.4, Paul Heideman argues that class is not just an identity like race or gender. Instead, class is a structure of power and relationships, especially between workers and capitalists. I understand his point as saying that class is not just about how someone feels or how they identify. It’s about your position in the economic system, whether you own property and businesses or whether you have to sell your labor to survive. That position shapes your interests and your actions in society. Personally, I think this argument makes sense. Race and gender are identities people carry regardless of their job. But class is tied directly to economic relationships. A worker depends on an employer for a paycheck. That’s not just identity, that’s a real economic relationship that affects daily life.

4. Heideman explains that class involves a close form of dependency because workers and capitalists depend on each other in very direct ways. Workers depend on employers for jobs and income. Capitalists depend on workers to produce goods and generate profits. This dependency is “close” because it’s not abstract, it’s built into everyday life. If a worker doesn’t work, they don’t get paid. If workers stop working (like in a strike), the employer loses money. So both sides rely on each other, even though the power between them isn’t equal. A good example would be a factory. Workers depend on the company to pay them so they can afford rent and food. But the company depends on the workers to operate machines and produce products to sell. If the workers went on strike, production would stop, and the company would lose profit. That shows how closely connected and dependent, they are.

Atara Jones- Parenti and Heideman

  1. In Reading 4.3, Parenti explains that the main difference between owners and employees is how they earn their income. Owners make their money from property, investments, stocks, and businesses they control. The owning class typically has very large income that majority comes from the labor of other people (employees). They do not need to work for someone else to survive because their wealth generates income for them. Employees do not own property that create profit, so they have to sell their labor in exchange for wages or a salary. Employees live off of wages, salaries and bonuses. Parenti also mentions that the distinction is not dependent on how much a person makes. Managers and professionals who earn a high income are still employees, regardless of earning a lot they still depend on a paycheck. For example, a major corporate shareholder who lives off investments would be considered an owner or apart of the owning class. A teacher, nurse, or construction worker who earns paychecks and salaries would be considered an employee. The difference is whether a person lives off their ownership or off their labor.
  2. The Adam Smith quote is basically saying that labor is what is responsible for the wealth in society. Workers are the ones responsible for producing goods and services, and without their work the economy would not function properly because their would be nothing to exchange or sell. Parenti then goes on to explain in further detail how trees are turned into profitable products such as paper or furniture, by gathering, harvesting, manufacturing , shipping and selling as well as the tools and everything else needed for consumption. Without workers performing these task there would be no products or profit.
  3. Heideman argues that class is not an identity like gender or race. I understand this to mean that class is not just something you label yourself as but based on your position in the capitalist system. It depends on whether you own wealth and businesses or of you have to work for wages to live. I think that his argument is valid because even if someone does not personally identify as “working class” if they are dependent on a paycheck then the are still apart if that class. Class is about power and structure not just personal identity.
  4. When Heideman says that class structures are built around a close form of dependency, I believe he means that workers depend on employers for income and employers depends on workers to make product and profit. This dependency is unequal because workers need wages to survive, while employers control the business and have more power. This creates a system where workers are dependent on those who own property and companies. For example, a fast food worker depends on their job for rent and bills. At the same time, the restaurant owner depends on workers to keep the restaurant running and to continue making money. Yet the owner has more control over the workers wages and working conditions, which demonstrates how class creates unequal power in these relationships.

Shumaila Shafin- Class and Power in Society

1.The primary difference between owner and employees is how they earn their money. Owners make their money and build their wealth through investments, property and profit generated by other people by their own labor. On the other hand employees depend on the wages they earn from their owners in exchange for their labor. They basically trade their time for a check. For example A large corporates stockholder or someone who has a big business or factory can be considered as the owner class. And the people who works under the owners in exchange for a small portion of the wealth they helped the owners build are the workers such as a factory worker. The difference here is that the owners doesn’t have to work to make money whereas the workers have to earn their wages by working for the owners and creating their wealth.

2.Basically, what Adam Smith is trying to say is that labor is responsible for giving things their value. Money itself doesn’t have any value. Labor has it because it can add value to an item by creating them. For instance, a tree is turned into a useful good because the workers cut the wood, shape it and them build it. Without their labor the owner’s invested money wouldn’t grow as the money itself can’t produce or make a product. The hard work of the workers makes the item valuable and profitable.

3.Reading 4.4 states how class is not only an identity unlike gender and race but it is also about power and how the society is structured. I believe that the article is saying that the class determines who controls over the resources of the society and who has to work in order get access to them. Someone can identify as working class but even if they don’t feel like working class if they still have to work in order to survive and be controlled by the capitalists they are still in that class position. Another point that the article states is dependency . The workers must work for employers for their wages and employers depends on the employees for making profit. That’s why in my opinion class is not an identity, its a power oriented system that shapes the structure of the society.

4. The reading states that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency “. It implies that both the capitalists and the working class depend on each other but not equally. Dependency on each is not significantly equal. Capitalists has to rely on workers to create a profit for their company and the workers requires employment for their livelihood, For example when the working class strikes the company loses money which demonstrates how much the capitalists rely on the workers and at the same time the workers need to work for the capitalists for their wages. This mutual dependency illustrates that class is different from other identity forms and it’s structure rest on a close form of interdependency.

Melanie Cen-Class Rules Everything Around Me

1.The majority of the income of the owners (i.e. the owning class) comes from capital ownership – stocks, businesses, real estate, investments – rather than their own labor. Their wealth grows because others work for them. 

For instance, a major shareholder of a company can earn income from dividends and profits even if they do not participate in the daily operations. 

Employees must sell their labor to survive. Their income mainly comes from wages or salaries rather than ownership. 

For instance, factory workers, retail clerks or office staff rely on their wages to pay rent and bills.

2. This famous quote by Adam Smith indicates that labor is the true source of value. He believed that labor is the “ultimate and true measure” of the value of goods, while money is merely a nominal measure.

Parenti quotes this statement to show that even one of the founding thinkers of capitalism recognized that wealth comes from labor, not from capital itself. Capital exists because labor first created it.

3. I agree with this view because it explains why people with completely different lifestyles can still have the same social status – and why class inequality persists, regardless of individual identity.

4. “Intensive dependence relationship” refers to the situation where workers rely on employers for their livelihood, while employers rely on workers merely to generate profits. 

This kind of dependent relationship operates as follows: 

Workers need wages to make a living, so they have to accept the working conditions set by their employers. For example:

Warehouse workers rely on their employers for income, healthcare and a stable life. If they refuse poor working conditions or low wages, they may face unemployment. However, companies can easily find replacement workers. This imbalance maintains class power and exploitation.

Chelsea Ferreiras- Discussion Board 4.2

1. In the reading 4.3 explains that the main difference between owners and employees is how they make their money. Owners are people who make most of their income from things they own, like businesses, stocks, or property, so they can live off profits and investments. While employees have to work for wages or a salary to make a living because they do not own big businesses or property. For example , a business owner or big investor is an owner because they earn money from what they own , while a factory worker or office worker is an employee because they depend on their job and paycheck to survive.

    2. In the reading , Adam Smith’s quote means that work done by people is what really gives things their value. He is saying that something is worth what it is because of the labor used to make it , not just because of money or materials.  Like wood would becomes something valuable like paper or furniture after workers cut the trees, shape the wood, and sell the finished product. It shows that without workers and their effort , goods and services would not be created and money by itself cannot make things.

    3. My thoughts about the main arguments of reading 4.4 are that class is not just an identity like race or gender. I agree with this argument because class clearly shapes people’s everyday lives, like how much they earn, how secure their job is, and what chances they have in life. The reading also shows that problems like racism and sexism often affect people with less money and power the most. So I understand why the author says class is more than an identity , it is a system that affects how society works.

    4. I understand the argument in reading 4.4 that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” means that workers and employers need each other in a very direct way. Workers need employers for jobs and money to live, and employers need workers to do the work that makes money. This creates a close connection between them but they do not have the same power because employers own the business and make the rules. So the “close form of dependency” means that different classes are connected through work. For example, a factory worker depends on the company owner for a paycheck to pay bills and survive. At the same time, the owner depends on the worker to make the products so the company can sell. This shows how workers and owners are closely dependent on each other in the class system.

    Dee’zire Tate

    1. Direct distinction from the reading:
    Parenti explains the difference in terms of how they earn their income:
    “One should distinguish between those who own the wealth of society and those who must work for a living.”
    Owners: People whose income mainly comes from the labor of others e.g., “the very rich families and individuals who compose the owning class live mostly off investments, which include stocks, bonds, rents, mineral royalties, and other property income.”
    Example: A wealthy shareholder who earns dividends from the corporation that employs workers.
    Employees: Those who live mostly off wages, salaries, or fees for their own labor.
    Example: A factory worker or office employee who sells their labor in exchange for a paycheck.
    Parenti also notes these categories aren’t perfectly neat (some managers or professionals earn high wages and may later live off investments), but the key difference is where the income comes from: wages vs. income generated by others’ labor.

    2.Smith is emphasizing that the fundamental value in an economy comes from human labor, not money itself. Money is just a symbol or representation (“nominal price”), but the true value of any good or service is grounded in the amount and effort of labor that produced it.
    So it means that labor is the real source of wealth = the work people perform to turn raw materials into usable products is what really gives things their worth. Money doesn’t create value; labor does.

    3. In Reading 4.4, Parenti rejects the idea that class is simply like race or gender, something you are. Instead, class is defined by your relationship to economic production and to others in the economy, especially in capitalism.
    Rather than being about personal traits or cultural identity, class is about structural roles, who controls productive resources and who must sell their labor. Under this view, class explains not just differences in lived experience but differences in interests, power, and dependencies within society.
    I understand this argument to mean:
    Class isn’t a fixed “identity category” like ethnicity or gender.
    It’s a structural position that shapes what people can do, how they’re treated, and what they must do to survive especially in relation to production and access to wealth.
    This helps explain why class has political and economic implications beyond personal identification because it’s about where power lies in society.

    4.When Parenti (and Marxist/class analysis generally) says class is about dependency, it means workers depend on owners for the basic means of survival (income through wage labor), while owners depend on workers’ labor to generate profit.
    This is a mutual but unequal dependency:
    Workers must sell their labor because they don’t own the means of production, things like factories, land, machines, so they need wages to live.
    Owners must have workers produce goods and services if they want profits and continued wealth.
    But the power in this relationship is skewed: owners have control over work conditions, profits, and hiring decisions. Workers have little choice but to accept employment terms.
    Example:
    A manufacturing plant:
    The company owner owns the machinery and factory.
    Workers don’t own these things, so they must work for wages.
    The owner’s profit depends on workers’ labor, while workers must labor in order to be paid.
    This is the “close form of dependency,” each class is structurally tied to the other, but not equally.

    Annie Rong

    1. Owners live off investments, profits, and property income. Employees live off wages and salaries. The key difference is that owners make money from the labor of others while employees must sell their labor to earn income.
      Example of an owner: A major shareholder in a large corporation earns income through stock dividends and profits without directly performing labor.
      Example of an employee: A server at a restaurant who earns a salary and must continue to work in order to maintain income.
    2. Adam Smith states that labor is the “real price” of commodities, while money is only the “nominal price”. I interpreted the quote as labor is what creates value and money itself does not produce anything. Money only helps us measure the values created by labor.
    3. Reading 4.4 argues that class is more than an identity category like race or gender. But instead, class is a structural relationship built around ownership and labor. The author explains that socialists define class not by income or status but by whether someone owns productive property or must sell their labor. Class is a material position within an economic system and people can form identities around class, but the structure itself exists regardless of if someone consciously identifies with it.
    4. The close form of dependency refers to the economic reliance between workers and owners. Workers depend on wages for survival and owners depend on labor provided by workers to maintain their position.
      An example of dependency is a strike. When workers strike, they use the fact that owners rely on their labor to generate profit. The reading explains that strikes work by exploiting this dependency. If workers collectively refuse to work, the owner cannot produce goods or service and begins losing money.