Discussion 6.2

1. Faction can be seen as similar to class. When he speaks of “the majority faction” he is talking about the working class and others who were marginalized for the purposes of the elites. The majority faction was seen as a threat to the elites specifically their wealth. Therefore, they devised ways to keep power in the hands of the few, the ownership class.

2. “faculties” as defined in in Wiktionary as a noun: “(Often in the plural): An ability, power, or skill.”; An authority, power, or privilege conferred by a higher authority.” This understanding of the word “faculties” would put the person who has wealth as having an innate ability and they could say it was God given. They themselves are creating wealth because of their smarts, genius, discipline, etc. And it is the same for the poor or those who lack wealth. They are not posing the necessary mind and spirit and inner qualities that would create land owning person. And those who do not have the innate ability to own property should not be given the trust to run the nation, rather they should be controlled.

3. I do not agree with the idea that faculties is the reason for people having wealth or owning property. For me they are correct in a small sense. There are characteristics that make a person more likely to be successful at owning property. Yet I take into account that access had a large part to do with who was allowed to achieve wealth and who never had a chance. Opportunity was not available to the many but to the very few. Though today there is more opportunity for individuals of various backgrounds to build wealth. A person in the middle class who makes $80,000 could build wealth through investing in the stock market. By consistently investing in the stock market over decades a person can build wealth that they could live off.

4. The first mission of the government according to the readings is to protect those with the ability or faculties to own land. This is done through a system of government that controls the “fraction” that which are propertyless because they do not have the ability. Really, it is about the elite controlling the “majority faction” for the protection of the elite’s wealth.

5. I am surprised that this line of thinking existed because I was never taught this before. Yet I am not surprised because I know that there was much hypocrisy at the Constitutional Convention. Such lofty ideas of liberty hit the brick wall reality of slavery and a land-owning status class that did not want to give up their status.

    Steven Chavez – How Class Influenced the US Constitution

    1. The concept we have already discussed that “faction” reminds me of are social classes.
    2. According to the Federalist #10, the source of wealth is the abilities of people to get property. Some people get to possess wealth by owning private property and others don’t because people have different abilities.
    3. I don’t agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty. This isn’t the only factor that explains why some get to own private property and others don’t. It also depends on the opportunities people have, education, and some people are just born into wealth.
    4. The core mission of the US Government is to protect the faculties, or abilities of people to get private property. No, this does not surprise me. It is exactly what is happening today. We know that the rich have power because they use their wealth to influence politics.
    5. I am not surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy and supports a representative form of government. A democratic form of government would give too much power to one faction, which is why Madison dislikes it. A representative form of government would help prevent this by letting representatives elected by the people make the decisions, that way no faction has too much power over the other.

    Discussion Board 6.2

    1. A concept that we have already discussed that reminds me of faction is social class. It’s a group where people share or have the same interests
    2. According to federalist #10 Madison mentions the source of wealth is having different talents and abilities. A factor that can explain why some people get to posses wealth and others do not is by the way their able to do their work. How much and what they know to do can play a big role because people with certain skills can increase their wealth based on what they do. Someone who works for what they know and how they do their work can be seen and rewarded.
    3. I don’t agree with the expkaintipm of wealth and poverty because there’s several reasons as to why people might not have wealth. Everyone has different things surrounding them. A person who has opportunities, education, and career, another person won’t have the same as they do
    4. The first object of the US government is to protect people’s ability to get properties and their rights. This somewhat surprised me because I think of the government protecting everyone as a whole and their rights instead of protecting property
    5. I’m not surprised that federalist 10 is not in favor of democracy. People have different interests and opinions based on their class. There could be a reason as to why democracy isn’t what he choose and it could be that there’s some people who would like to benefit for themselves while others aren’t and instead it causing more harm than good

    Frank Cosgriff – 6.2

    1) When James Madison writes of “factions” in his Federalist Paper #10, it brings to mind the class system that’s been at the center of our discussions this semester. While we writes in different terms, Madison is concerned that factions may form that would be a threat to the status quo. As Madison is himself a wealthy capitalist, it’s easy to draw parallels to the fears of capitalists broadly, of the labor class banding together to push back against the power wielded by the wealthy.

    2) According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), the rights of property originate in “the diversity in the faculties of men.” That is, Madison believes that it’s a sort of exceptionalism that allows some men to amass wealth, while those of lesser ability remain poor. Therefore, the best people to govern are people who have wealth, as they’ve demonstrated an ability to reason above the average man.

    3) I do not agree with Madison’s explanation of wealth and poverty. A person may be born into wealth, or they may stumble into it. What is clear, is that wealth-building tends to gain momentum over time; the more money one has, the easier it is to make more of it.

    4) Madison writes that the core mission of the government is to protect the “faculties” that allow men to acquire property; generously, this is a statement on protecting the freedom/liberties that allow people self-determination and the opportunity to make their own fortunes. In practice this is more often seen as protecting the wealth already amassed by a select few. This doublespeak reflects popular opinions in our society today. Americans largely agree that people should have opportunities to improve their lives, but a lot of our laws and the actions of our government serve to entrench and protect the wealthy.

    5) Madison argues for a republic over a democracy as a more stable form of governance, less likely to be swayed or turned by the will of temporary factions. While there can be some benefits to a stable, predictable government, this also favors the status quo, of course, and acts as an entrenchment of power, particularly for the wealthy class to which Madison belongs. It’s never a surprise when the people in power decide they are the best people to be in power, and thus seek to ensure its continuation as such.

    Daniela Ortega 6.2

    The concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind me of social class since they are different groups divided by interest or goals.

    James Madison explains that people have different abilities. His argument is that people with more opportunities can lead to people to own property and wealth. While others who don’t have those opportunities can’t. 

    In my opinion, I believe it depends. I can come to terms with James Madison’s explanation and how skills and opportunities can factor in someone’s life. But not abilities alone explain how someone can be rich and other people be poor.

    The core mission of the US government is protection of secure property rights. It doesn’t surprise me since I believe they are protecting rights because they were wealthy who didn’t want to have things risked and only wanted to secure their own wealth. The constitution was made to “prevent” chaos. They saw social order by safeguarding their property.  

    No, I am not surprised that James Madison opposed democracy because he feared people using their political powers against a minority group. This was a direct treat to poetry rights for farmers and he wanted to protect the privileged classes.  

    Stephen Exantus

    The concept of “faction,” from what I understood, is a group of people who have the same interests or goals, but those interests can be against other people and their beneficial laws. Usually, these groups can have more power or influence because they have more money or resources.

    In Federalist #10, James Madison explains that people have different talents and abilities. Because of these differences, some people will make more money and own more property than others. This is why some people become rich while other people stay poor. But to me, this idea does not fully show the reality of how society actually works. Just look at New York City, we literally call it a “concrete jungle.” There are people with huge amounts of wealth living close to people who struggle to afford basic things.

    In my opinion, I disagree with some of James Madison’s ideas in Federalist #10. Since Madison was part of the wealthy political class, I think his ideas were connected to protecting property and the people who already had it. He supported a republican form of government instead of a direct democracy because he was concerned about majority groups having too much political power. This could be a problem especially for people who did not own much property or had less wealth.

    According to Madison, one of the main purposes of government is to protect private property. This does not really surprise me because protecting property was very important to the people who had wealth during that time. Today, society has more democratic ways for people to be represented, but I still think political power can be strongly influenced by large corporations and special interest groups. This connects back to the idea of factions because groups with more money and influence can have a bigger voice in government.

    I am also not surprised that Federalist #10 does not support a pure democracy. Madison helped create the Constitution and later became the fourth president of the United States. He believed that a large republic could help control the problems caused by factions. However, the Constitution was created during a time when wealthy landowners, business owners, and other powerful groups were worried about protecting their property and interests. They also had disagreements about how much power the majority should have.

    Because of this, I think Federalist #10 shows that the American government was designed partly around the problem of factions and protecting property. Even though society has changed a lot since Madison’s time, the question of whether wealthy groups have more influence than ordinary people is still something people argue about today.

    Economic Interpretation of the US Constitution – Natalia Hincapie Alzate

    The concept of ‘faction’ from what i understood is wealthy elite, a group of people who has the same interest but they are against the others benefial laws.

    According to James Madison, the ‘first object’ of the US government is to protect private property. This doesn’t surprise me because protecting wealth was likely very important to their class. Today, while society has more democratic ways to represent everyone, I believe that political power still strongly protects large corporations and special interests.

    I am not surprised that Federalist #10 does not support a pure democracy. James Madison, who became the fourth US president and helped create the Constitution, wanted to protect the wealth of the elite. The Constitution was made with rush, because rich groups, like landowners and company owners, had disagreements and were afraid of losing their money and property to the majority.

    Gabriel Maurice – How Class Influenced the US Constitution

    1. The concept of “Factions” reminds me of social class and political groups. In the article, “factions” are described as groups of people who share a common interest. For example, Democrats share interests that differ from those of Republicans.
    2. James Madison argues in his article that differences in wealth stem from unequal opportunities to obtain property. His overall argument is that people with more opportunities are more likely to gain wealth than those with fewer opportunities. The opportunities available to a person determine the kind of property they may own, which then creates different economic interests and social divisions.
    3. In a way, I agree with James Madison’s explanation of wealth and poverty because differences in people’s abilities and skills can determine how far they go. However, someone’s opportunities can be limited by hereditary factors such as low family wealth, limited educational opportunities, and discrimination.
    4. In the article, James Madison reveals that the core object of the U.S. government is to protect people’s faculties and property rights. This comes as a surprise to me because, in today’s society, the government is described as a system that maintains order, provides public services, and protects people’s rights. Madison’s statements show that the government only protects individuals who are able to obtain property.
    5. No, I am not surprised that James Madison opposed democracy because he feared that people would use their political power against minority groups and their property. This connects to social class because of the differences in economic interests between those who owned a lot of property and those who did not. Madison believed that a representative republic would make it hard for one economic group to dominate everyone else. 

    Discussion 6.2

    1. The concept that “faction” reminds me of is social class. A faction is a group of people with shared interests or goals. Different social classes can have different interests, especially when it comes to money, property, and government.
    2. According to Federalist No. 10, the source of wealth and private property comes from differences in people’s abilities, or “faculties.” Faculties means people’s different abilities, skills, and talents. Madison explains that people have different abilities and interests, which leads some people to own property and wealth while others do not. This creates differences between social classes.
    3. I do not completely agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty. People can have different abilities, but wealth also depends on things like family wealth, opportunities, education, access to resources, and social conditions. Having different abilities alone does not explain why some people are wealthy while others are poor.
    4. The “first object” of government is the protection of property. This surprises me because today we often hear that the government’s main purpose is to protect people, provide services, and maintain order. Federalist No. 10 places a strong focus on protecting property and the rights connected to it.
    5. I am not surprised that Federalist No. 10 supports a Republican form of government instead of pure democracy. The wealthy class was concerned that if everyone had direct political power, poorer and working-class people could support laws that might affect the property and wealth of wealthy people. A representative government was seen as a way to control these conflicts between different groups and protect property.

    Kailey Hurtado Morales- Social Class and the Creation of the Constitution

    The readings show that the Constitution was written mainly by members of the wealthier, property-owning class, while much of the working and propertyless population had little or no participation in the process. Reading 6.1 explains that the people involved included merchants, slaveholders, manufacturers, landowners, and other wealthy men. Meanwhile, poor farmers, artisans, indentured servants, enslaved people, women, Native Americans, and many men without enough property were excluded. Reading 6.2 describes many of these groups as “disenfranchised,” meaning they did not have the right to vote and therefore were not represented in the Constitutional Convention.

    The social class structure of early America was also different from what we have today, especially when it came to political rights. In most states, voting was limited to property-owning White men, so a person’s wealth and property directly affected whether they could participate in government. Today, property ownership is not a requirement for voting. However, there is still a similarity in the sense that society includes people who own significant wealth and property and people who mainly depend on working for an income. The readings show that this economic divide existed in early America as well, with struggling farmers and debtors on one side and wealthy landowners, merchants, creditors, and investors on the other.

    Finally, the people who wrote the Constitution were concerned about democracy because they feared what could happen if the propertyless majority gained greater political power. Events such as Shays’ Rebellion showed that struggling farmers and debtors were willing to organize against foreclosures, debt, and economic conditions they believed were unfair. From the argument presented in Reading 6.1, the concern was that if ordinary working people had enough political power, they might support policies that challenged the property and economic interests of the wealthier class. This helps explain why social class was important to the way the Constitution and the new government were structured.