Discussion post 9.2

1.P.Williams argues that the war on terror is a new kind of war because it doesn’t have clear boundaries, enemies, or an endpoint. Unlike traditional wars fought between nations, this one targets non-state actors and can happen anywhere, including within the United States. From the Patriot Act materials, it’s clear that this type of war expands government power inward, not just outward. I think what’s most different and concerning is that it blurs the line between national defense and domestic surveillance, making it easier to justify limiting civil liberties in the name of security.

      2. “Roving wiretaps” under the Patriot Act seem to violate the Fourth Amendment because they allow surveillance without specifying exactly which device is being monitored. The OpenStax reading emphasizes that the Fourth Amendment requires warrants to be specific and based on probable cause. Roving wiretaps weaken that requirement, making it easier for the government to monitor individuals broadly, which risks abuse.

      3. “Sneak and peek” warrants raise similar concerns. These allow law enforcement to search someone’s property without immediately notifying them. This also conflicts with the Fourth Amendment, since traditional warrants require notice and clear justification. In my view, both policies show how the war on terror has led to a shift where protecting security often comes at the expense of basic constitutional rights.

      Discussion Board 9.2 – Mackenzie Santiago

      In her essay Patricia Williams argues that the “war on terror” is different from traditional wars because it does not involve a defined enemy, battlefield or ending point. Traditional wars are usually fought between nations with armies, borders and formal declarations of war. A war on terror, however targets terrorist groups, and individual.s who operate across many countries without uniform or a permanent location. Then the enemy would be harder to identify, governments have surveillance, detention and security powers in ways that affect ordinary citizens. Williams would suggest that this type of war blurs the line between wartime powers or day to day civil liberties which creates concerns about government overreach and constitutional rights.

      The “Roving Wiretaps” provision of the USA Patriot act allows law enforcement to monitor multiple communication devices used by a suspect without getting a warrant for each device. Critics can argue that this possibly violates the Fourth Amendment, which protects people against unreasonable searches and seizures. This raises concern that Roving Wiretaps can be too broad and can accidentally collect information from innocent people who use the same devices or network. Some people can believe it threatens First Amendment freedoms because increased surveillance can discourage free speech or private association if people fear they are being watched.

      “Sneak and Peek” warrants are a controversial part of the Patriot Act. These warrants allow law enforcement officers to search a person’s home or property without immediately notifying them that a search took place. Critics say this violates the Fourth Amendment because people traditionally have the right to know when the government searches through any property or knows what was taken. The delayed notifying may weaken protection against government abuse or reducing a person ability to challenge the search in court. Supporters argue that the tactic is necessary in terrorism or organized crime investigations but others feel it gives the government too much power secretly.

      Stephanie Cesar – Discussion Post 9.2

      1. The war of terror is a new type of war that’s way different from traditional wars that the United States has partook in. It didn’t manifest as the typical war, two or more opposing countries that clash on a battlefield. As it implies in the name, it’s vague and targets all terrorist groups globally. And to protect against these groups, mass surveillance is been placed everywhere in the US. It’s a new type of war that extends way past the battlefield.
      2. Roving wiretaps exist to aid with mass surveillance. They’re able to monitor phones and internet accounts without gaining a warrant, targeting suspects who may have a ‘burner phone’. Roving wiretaps violate the Fourth Amendment because they have loopholes to avoid the the warrant requirement. This violates probable cause and is extremely invasive to ones privacy.
      3. “Sneak and Peak” warrants violate the Fourth Amendment because they let police search a place without telling the owner right away, which diminishes the Fourth Amendment. It weakens the right to be free from unreasonable searches and it’s way harder to fight against this warrant.

      discussion board 9.2

      Keilany rivera

      Patricia Williams explains in the Guardian article that the “war on terror” is different from traditional wars because it is not fought between clearly defined countries with set borders, armies, or battlefields. Instead, it targets an idea—terrorism—rather than a specific nation. This makes it a unique type of conflict that blurs the distinction between foreign warfare and domestic law enforcement, which is what makes it so different from earlier wars.

      The “roving wiretaps” introduced under the Patriot Act also raise concerns under the Fourth Amendment, which protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures. In normal situations, law enforcement must obtain a warrant that clearly specifies who or what is being searched. However, roving wiretaps allow the government to monitor a suspect across multiple devices without naming each one in advance. Because the warrant is less specific, it gives authorities broader surveillance power and increases the chance that innocent people could be monitored.

      In the same way, “sneak and peek” warrants are controversial because they allow police to search someone’s property without immediately informing them. This creates another Fourth Amendment issue since individuals usually have the right to know when their property has been searched so they can challenge it. When notification is delayed, people may not find out about the search until much later, limiting their ability to respond in time. Overall, both practices show how government surveillance expanded after 9/11, but they also raise serious concerns about privacy and constitutional rights.

      Discussion Board 9.2 – Kayla Chisholm

      1. According to Patricia Williams in the Guardian article, the “war on terror” is different because it’s not a traditional war between countries with clear boundaries, armies, or battlefields. Instead, it’s a war against an idea or tactic—terrorism itself, not just a specific nation. It’s basically a war that blurs the line between foreign war and domestic policy, which is what makes it feel different.
      2. The “roving wiretaps” allowed by the Patriot Act seem to violate the Fourth Amendment, which protects people from unreasonable searches and seizures. Normally, the government needs a specific warrant that clearly states what they are searching and where. However, roving wiretaps allow authorities to monitor a person across multiple devices without naming each one in advance. This lack of specificity makes it feel like the government has too much freedom to spy, and it could even lead to innocent people being monitored. 
      3. Similarly, “sneak and peek” warrants are also controversial because they allow law enforcement to search someone’s home without immediately notifying them. This again raises concerns about the Fourth Amendment. Usually, people have the right to know when their property is being searched, but these warrants delay that notice. This means someone might not even realize their home was searched until much later, which takes away their ability to challenge the search right away. Overall, both roving wiretaps and sneak-and-peek warrants show how the government expanded its power after 9/11, but at the same time, they raise serious concerns about privacy and basic constitutional rights.

      Discussion Board 9.2

      1. P. Williams writes in her essay, that the war on terror is a new type of a war. What’s new about it, how is it different from traditional wars?

      What stood out to me about P. Williams’ idea is that the war on terror doesn’t look like what we usually imagine as war. There isn’t a clear country on the other side or a battlefield where everything happens. It’s more spread out and unpredictable. It also involves smaller groups rather than national armies, which makes it harder to define who the enemy is. Because of that, it feels like something that doesn’t really end, which makes it very different from traditional wars with clear beginnings and endings.

      2. In what ways does the “Roving Wiretaps” of the Patriot Act seem to violate the Bill of Rights? Which amendment(s) does it seem to violate and why?

      “Roving wiretaps” raise concerns because they allow surveillance to move with a person instead of being limited to one specific device. This makes it feel less controlled and more invasive compared to traditional warrants. It goes against the Fourth Amendment, since that amendment is supposed to protect people from unreasonable searches and require clear details. It creates a situation where the government can monitor communication in a broader way than expected. In my opinion, that weakens the level of privacy people are supposed to have.

      3. What about “Sneek and Peek” Warrants?

      “Sneak and peek” warrants are also controversial because they allow law enforcement to search someone’s property without their knowledge at the time. That delay changes the usual expectation people have about their rights. The Fourth Amendment is supposed to protect against hidden searches, so this creates some contradiction with that idea. Even if there is a reason for using them, like investigations, it still feels like people lose some control over their own privacy in that situation, and might not even know that their rights are being affected until later.

      Jonathan Kennedy- Discussion Board 9.2

      1. P. Williams views the War on Terror as a fundamentally different type of conflict. Unlike most other wars which are fought between specific countries with identifiable armies, the War on Terror has opened up a kind of borderline warfare with no defined enemy. Neither the enemy nor the endpoint of the conflict are discernible. Most importantly, because of the indefinite nature of the conflict without a defined beginning or ending, the scope of government authority expands into areas where the boundary between everyday life and warfare are increasingly vague such as civilian surveillance and detention. The redefining of the enemy as “unlawful combatants” post 9/11 has also meant that the U.S. can detain such enemies without affording them the protections of due process.
      2. The government can use a single warrant to tap a number of different types of devices through roving wiretaps. This includes devices like computers or phones, Thus, they can bypass specifications on which device exactly will be tapped. This raises issues of the Fourth Amendment, which protects from unreasonable searches, as well as requirements for warrants. Their lack of specificity raises the risk of wider surveillance than intended. There are also arguably impacts on the First Amendment as people may be more reluctant to exercise their right to free speech when they feel they may be watched. It expands surveillance power in a way that appears to violate the Constitution.
      3. With “sneak and peek” warrants, police can search a person’s home or business, and delay any notification for as long as possible. This practices impacts the Fourth Amendment. People have the right to be notified of searches, and defend their right to be searched. Under-the-radar searches bypass transparency and accountability mechanisms; and expand government search and surveillance authority without scrutiny. Such searches violate protections against unreasonable searches and show people that protecting their rights is futile.

      DISCUSSION BOARD 9.2

      1.Patricia Williams explains that the war on terror is a new type of war because it is not against a specific country or army, but against terrorism, which can come from anyone. She calls it a “war of the mind” because the enemy is unclear and based on fear. Unlike traditional wars, there is no clear ending, which makes it easier for the government to expand its power over time.

      2.The “roving wiretaps” in the Patriot Act seem to violate the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches. Normally, the government needs a separate warrant for each device, but roving wiretaps allow one warrant to cover multiple devices. This can lead to privacy violations and surveillance of people who are not directly involved.

      3.“Sneak and peek” warrants also raise issues with the Fourth Amendment because they allow law enforcement to search a home without immediately notifying the person. This goes against the usual idea of transparency in searches and can lead to abuse of power.

      Shanveer Singh – 9.2

      1. Williams says that war on terror is different from traditional wars as you are fighting decentralized, non-state groups. There is no government, no conventional military, nor any established land for terrorist groups. They can attack you from anywhere, meanwhile traditional wars are a certain setting. There is no certain endpoint with wars that are fought against these terrorist groups as there’s not any negotiating.
      2. The fourth amendment is violated as someone’s right to privacy is at stake when the government is monitoring your device. Letting them wiretap your device means you’re also being suspected without probable cause as they do not have a warrant. Which is another part that violates the fourth amendment.
      3. The fourth amendment is being violated with sneak and peak warrants as law enforcement is entering your home without telling you. Then they eventually tell you after the fact. The fourth amendment is violated as this is an unreasonable search and violation of privacy. the sixth amendment is also violated as the right of you being informed of charges is being violated. If you don’t know you are being searched, and do at a later time. It makes it way harder for you to defend yourself legally.

      John Fung – Discussion 9.2

      1. There are a few angles one could take to answer, I’ll start with the “war on terror” as a concept. As Williams says, A war against terrorism is a war of the mind, so broadly defined that the enemy becomes anybody who makes us afraid.” There is no defined enemy or place or resource to fight over, it’s a war that is so broadly defined it can be manipulated to suit the government’s purpose. That so many of Arabic ethnicity and Muslim faith have been targeted, one can argue this is could be seen as a war of ideologies or a religious war.

      Taking it further, the manner of which the war is being waged is new in that many of the rights protected by the Constitution are either worked around by loopholes, such as the military tribunals or just flat out ignored, unprecedented compared to how wars were engaging in the past. Williams closes with a foreboding (maybe prophetic) note, observing the increased support (or at least nonplussed) view of the general public in the erosion of these rights.

      2. Most notable to me is the violation of the Fourth Amendment, which protects “against unreasonable searches and seizures”. As Morton Halperin, a National Security expert describes, government intelligence can now “wiretap you and never tell you, search your house and never tell you, break into your home, copy your hard drive, and never tell you that they’ve done it.” Based on the Patriot Act’s provision, if a suspect borrowed your phone to make a call, your device would fall under the roving wiretap’s monitored devices, presumably in perpetuity. I would argue that would be considered unreasonable and in violation of the 4th  

      3. I also argue Sneak and Peak warrants would violate the Fourth Amendment, also on the “unreasonable” nature to perform a search and seizure. If the Patriot Act allowed for delayed/secret searches of suspects for any crime, no matter how minor, that would mean every crime would be considered reasonable; what would be deemed an unreasonable search and seizure then?