Write a 150-word character analysis of the protagonist King Oedipus as he is portrayed in the portion of the play assigned for this week. Please be specific; you should have at least five specific observations about the king’s personality as seen in his behavior. Please limit your comments to this first portion of the drama.
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1. Write an example of a good thesis statement for any of the stories we have read in class.
2. Write an example of a bad thesis statement for any of the stories we have read in class. Explain why the thesis statement is not good.
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In the beginning of this drama “Oedipus the King” it is seen as Oedipus is quick to act upon many situations and that makes him an excellent ruler in the city of Thebes and listens to the needs of his people. He is always one step ahead and when the citizens of Thebes ask him to do something about the harmful plague, Oedipus had already sent Creon to the Oracle at Delphi for advice. Oedipus is also very confident for many good reasons. He saved Thebes from the curse of the Sphinx and became king. He has a lot of pride and believes Thebes is ruled well by him and he knows how to take control. When Oedipus hears about the past king’s murder which was Lauis, he was determined to figure out what exactly happened and how that could be related to the dangerous plague. When Teiresias had knowledge about what happened to Lauis, Oedipus wanted to know right away but Teiresias was hesitating to say what he knows but when he did, he blamed Oedipus for the murder and Oedipus’ behavior changed and he became furious and angry at him.
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Gangadeep, thanks for starting the conversation again. I agree that Oedipus presents many admirable traits as the play opens. I like that his compassion is matched by his energy and proactive approach to problem solving. Yet we also get a glimpse into another side of him as soon as he is challenged. But is this surprising for such a powerful person?
Hi Celeste, the main character definitely has qualities that could’ve to lead him to be am honest kind, but part of the story is the irony in where a “good” character develops to be this insecure, cruel, and narcissistic person that not only destroyed his family but his entire kingdom.
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Hi Gagandeep,
I like the way you describe Oedipus as quick to act, as this is true both in terms of his drive to resolve the problems plaguing his kingdom, and also in terms of how he responds to others in tense situations, perhaps a personality trait that will prove ultimately to be a double-edged sword. While he does act quickly in a productive way, he also becomes blinded by his own anger when interacting with Creon and refuses to take into account what he has to say.
King Oedipus is a man of many qualities in which are shown through his words and actions throughout the first portion of the drama. One quality that particularly stood out to me was him being a worshiper of god because as I read the very beginning of the drama, he constantly mentions/ends his sentences in the name of god: for example, he states, “God will decide whether we prosper or remain in sorrow” and not only moments before he had mention “what were god’s words”. With following of this quality, I see an extreme amount of confidence, I see Oedipus in way of maintaining order because he knows what he is doing, he doesn’t have regrets when coming to save Thebes from the curse he did and with this quality he became king. However, with this confidence comes arrogance where it seems like he knows everything, and he will only do things his own way. When mentioning to “drive pollution from the land” he refuses to “serve a distant friend’s advantage, but act in his own interest”, this shows that he doesn’t take orders from anyone and he wants to confide in himself. In addition to being arrogant he is also persistent in what he believes in. When figuring out who had murdered the previous king, he does everything in his power to shun him “I command all to drive him from their homes, since he is our pollution, as the oracle of Pytho’s God”. With the following of the murder Oedipus seeks to find more information on the situation only one person knows: Teiresias. However, Oedipus quickly becomes irritable because Teiresias humiliated Oedipus by accusing him of the murder as of a result Oedipus sees red through his eyes.
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Hello Mosheur,
I agree with your response as in Oedipus has many different types of personalities and they change as the story progresses. He is indeed confident and believes that Thebes is well ruled by him and knows how to handle certain situations in his own way as you said leads to arrogance. He does not take orders from anyone and believes that he is right in all matters. At the end as you stated, Oedipus becomes irritable because he is blamed for the murder of Lauis which causes a change in Oedipus’ behavior.
Its interesting you see him as confident. I believe he has too much confidence. There is a thin line between confidence and arrogance. I did also realize he was persistent a little hard-headed. He needed things to go way only.
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Patricia, please be sure to address comments to others by name. And be aware of length requirements. See “information about Discussion Boards” in COURSE INFORMATION.
Mosheur, I’m glad you mention Oedipus’s fealty to the gods. This will become increasingly important as the play goes on. I like the paradoxes you point out here–how the king is both subservient to the gods yet arrogant about himself as a human being. Yet who could imagine a humble king? Kings must be strong and seen as powerful with the confidence to trust in themselves. He is also a man of action, who takes concrete steps to find the murderer of Laius. We’ll now watch as the play continues and we observe his reactions, which you have already alluded to here. Great post!
Good thesis: In the drama,”Oedipus the King” his arrogant personality adds to the character development as the story progresses when going through more challenges and hardships.
Bad thesis: In the story of “The Salvation”, Langston Hughes is the essential theme of character development. The thesis is bad because it doesn’t specifically say what the character development is and it doesn’t elaborate on why it is important.
Mosheur, Oedipus does seem as if he is a strong believer in god. Though, he is always referring to a god or some god. I believe he may believe in many gods based on his context use of the word. Oedipus seems like he can be over confident or even arrogant. I think many kings would refer to themselves in this way. Oedipus seems almost obsessed with finding the murderer. Maybe if he’s arrogant and confident its to prove a point to his people? Whichever it may be, Oedipus quickly changes his attitude when he is accused of the murder.
While reading the play I realized a few characteristics about the main character, King Oedipus. The first thing I realized was that he was a bit conceited. Line 7 says ” I Oedipus whom all men call the great”. Even people may think highly of himself he isn’t humble. He kinda acts like a God but he’s a king. Even though he was conceited he was a good leader. He was excited to save his city. Line 101 Oedipus was anxious to hear what Creon had to say. The Gods also made him a king because he saved the city from a curse. He was a very determined man. Line 161 says “I will bring light again.” In all my favorite part about him is his determination. He was determined to figure out how the past king’s murder and the sickness were connected.
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Patricia, thank you for these good comments. Yes, Oedipus may be a bit conceited. But, as I mentioned to Mosheur, it would be odd to be a self-effacing king, wouldn’t it? He is a good leader, and you mention the strength of his determination, which is an important trait for a leader.
Patricia , I completly agree with oedipus being conceited because he shows that he only think of himself. I also agree with you that he is a very determined person , he showed it all in search of the past king (laius) murder. Also in his fate, was established by his actions of pride and determination
Thesis statement: A Rose for Emily:
In the short story “A Rose for Emily” written by William Faulkner, Emily’s upbringing by an overprotective father leads to many conflicts which negatively impacted her life as she aged.
Thesis statement: A White Heron
In this story “The White Heron” it is about a young girl that faces many difficulties throughout her journey.
This is a bad thesis statement because it does not explain the factors of the difficulties faced by the narrator and does not provide a background which the reader can pick up on before reading the rest of the story/essay.
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Good, Gangadeep, on both counts!
Bad thesis: The short story Araby shows the theme coming of age.
Good thesis: The theme, Coming of age was portrayed in Araby by using tone love and frustration.
The thesis was not good because it is a statement of fact.
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Patricia, your bad thesis is a bad thesis and you are correct about the reason. However, your “good thesis” is unclear.
In this drama “Oedipus the King” Oedipus is quite the contradiction because he is not doubt arrogant as seen when he say’s “I Oedipus whom all men call the Great”. Yet he is also respectful as seen when he states “You’re old and they are young; come, speak for them” while the wording can be seen as disrespectful the intent cannot be as instead of asking, anyone to tell him what has happened he chose to look to the elder to request him to speak and chose not disregard his presence as can sometimes be the case even today. Another thing that shows Oedipus is a contradictory character is that while he is no doubt a worshiper of the gods as seen when he prays to Apollo ” O holy Lord Apollo, grant that his news too may be bright for us and bring us safety” and when he says “God will decide whether we prosper or remain in sorrow” ” a champion of my country and the God”. he soon forgets this because of fear and pride when he chose to disregard fate which was respected not only by his people but by the gods and created by them as well as seen when he refused to believe in the words of the oracle while also disrespecting her and to accuse Creon of treason because he did not agree with what he was being told “It has, but not for you; it has no strength for you because you are blind in mind and ears 430 as well as in your eyes” “Wealth, sovereignty and skill outmatching skill for the contrivance34 of an envied life! Great store of jealousy fill your treasury chests, if my friend Creon, friend from this and loyal, thus secretly attacks me, secretly desires to drive me out and secretly suborns this juggling trick devising quack, this wily beggar who has only eyes for his own gains, but blindness in his skill. For, tell me, where have you seen clear, Teiresias, with your prophetic eyes? When the dark singer, the sphinx, was in your country, did you speak word of deliverance to its citizens? And yet the riddle’s answer was not the province of a chance comer. It was a prophet’s task and plainly you had no such gift of prophecy from birds nor otherwise from any God to glean a word of knowledge. But I came, Oedipus, who knew nothing, and I stopped her. I solved the riddle by my own wit alone. Mine was no knowledge got from birds. And now you would expel me, because you think that you will find a place by Creon’s throne. I think you will be sorry, both you and your accomplice, for your plot to drive me out. And did I not regard you as an old man, some suffering would have taught you that what was in your heart was treason”.Oedipus is also scared when he finds out his fate in the beginning of his story when a prophet tells him of his fat to kill his father and marry his mother for fear of this he leaves his home which in the end seals his fate. But confident that he has defeated his fate as he left his home before he could kill his father not knowing that the parent who raised him were not the ones who birth him. 0503
Ariadna, this is an insightful and thorough discussion of the contradictory nature of Oedipus. This is a theme that runs through the play. For every good trait there seems to be a contrasting one. The king’s humility, as he walks among the people is contrasted against his overarching pride as he confronts Teiresias. His compassion towards the suffering citizens is contrasted with his raging temper against the old prophet who challenges him. (Just be careful about revealing to others parts of the play we haven’t yet read).
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“A White Heron” is a coming of age story in which Sylvia journeys from the innocence of childhood to the harsh reality of an adult during which she faces morality and sexism.
The short story “salvation” is a autobiography where the author shares a childhood experience that changed him.
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Ariadna, your bad thesis is definitely bad for the reason you state. Your “good thesis,” however, needs tweaking. It needs to be more specific to the story. When you write that Sylvia faces “morality and sexism,” you are introducing two very broad topics. Can you narrow this down and articulate what is the catalyst for Sylvia’s step towards maturity?
King Oedipus is portrayed as a multifaceted protagonist even within the first ten pages of the play. Right from the start, we are privy to the more open and compassionate side of him, and the great extent to which he cares for his people. When approached by the priest and the children in the first scene, he tells them that he is aware of the city’s ills, and that he has already sent Creon to Apollo’s temple to learn of what might save the city. However, Oedipus later reveals a different side of himself in his interaction with Teiresias when he withholds information from him, and again in the proceeding interaction with Creon. His temper flares, indicating that he is quick to anger when challenged, a trait that may foreshadow a side of King Oedipus we will come to see later as the story progresses. Overall, though, he appears to think of himself as a fair and just leader, and his actions largely demonstrate this.
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Justine while I agree with you that oedipus anger will be one his downfalls in the end I disagree with your point that his anger is only displayed due to him being challenged I think that his anger can also be due to fear as George Luke once said “Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear lead to anger. Anger leads to hate . Hate leads to suffering” Fear and anger are what will lead to his downfall.
*George Lucas
Hello Justine,
I sense that we have a very similar view of Oedipus, which perhaps is a choice set up by the author for the reader to feel. His immediate reactions of compassion seems a bit forced upon the reader at times, however, though that too may be intentional. His quickness and eagerness to act is what truly seems to cause his anger and temper, which isn’t a bad quality in small amounts, but with a large amount, it only becomes his own downfall.
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Hi Justine,
I agree with your statements of Oedipus when we first see his actions as fair and compassionate. We see a short-tempered, irrational side of him nearing the end of our reading during his interactions with Creon and Teiresias. I think this will be the last of the fair and compassionate Oedipus we will see as the story progresses and the claim of Teiresias that Oedipus is both son and husband unfolds.
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Justine, “multi-faceted” is a good description of King Oedipus. The traits of compassion and concern, as you note, are augmented by the practical steps he takes to get to the bottom of the city’s problem. I like that you mention a foreshadowing when readers/viewers get their first glimpse of the king’s quick temper. Already a tension begins to develop as we wonder how this anger might manifest itself more strongly.
Section 0503: Hello Justine, I do agree that the King is portrayed as a multi-faceted protagonist due to all the layers of him we are shown. In the beginning of the play yes he is quite strong confident and is more compassionate to his people and listens to their concerns. As the story progresses we do see more of the king’s anger that he usually doesn’t show too much, due to the challenges that were presented to him. though, throughout the story we see these qualities to him along with others I feel as though he was never really in just to his people and was always a fair leader.
Although he is a great leader as he opts to help those who ask for it, I think that he is rather narcissistic in his thinking. He often gets into trouble as he does not take input from others into his work. I see your point about his anger however, he indeed comes off as rather hot-headed when people do not think his way or judge his character.
Weronika, it’s unclear whom you are addressing. You seem to be agreeing with someone, but have you added any new ideas to the conversation?
Justine, I agree, Oedipus does seems like a fair leader. It seems like he wants to do right by his people and serve justice where justice is due. Though, I believe his anger and temper may cloud his judgement. He is so quick to accuse others but reluctant to believe that he may be the murderer himself. Since he expresses such over confidence, I believe he is almost embarrassed to face the fact that the murderer may be himself. His anger and confidence makes him unable to face his fate.
Good thesis statement: In the story “A Rose For Emily” by William Faulkner, the author uses a first-person plural narrator to demonstrate the fractured and isolated quality of Miss Emily’s life.
Bad thesis statement: In the story “The White Heron” the young female protagonist encounters systems of patriarchy.
The second thesis statement is weak because it does not address what specifically the essay will be about. While it may be true that the protagonist encounters systems of patriarchy, this thesis statement does not specify how they impact her or connect to the overall theme of the story.
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Justine, yes! Your “good” thesis is good and can be developed into a strong essay, and your “bad” thesis is bad for the reasons you state.
King Oedipus is a classic tragic hero in Greek Mythology. He has all the qualities of a hero, but because of a fatal flaw, which in this case is pride. His hubris caused him to ignore the prophecy sent down by the gods, which led to him killing his father and marrying his mother. His heroic traits were just as obvious as his fatal flaw from the start of the story to the end, or arguably more visible in comparison. His compassion can be seen from where his priest entered the stage, bringing the sufferings that Oedipus’s people had been suffering, and his immediate reaction is to ask what the solution was. His valor can also be seen in that moment, as he quickly vows to find the murderer of the previous king, whom he does not know is his father. A moment of irony is present there, as the reader knows that the killer was Oedipus himself, but the intentions that he had was good. Even the murder of his father was because he thought he was but a stranger, a stranger that hit and injured him as well. He is also a very impulsive person, because of the many promises that he makes that would come back to bite him, such as him cursing the killer of King Laius to a life of doom, which in turn became true when he was exiled when the true situation was found. He is also faithful to the gods, which is seen throughout the majority of the story, though his pride sometimes gets in the way of obeying said gods. He frequently praises them and asks them for advice, which he, as a protagonist and a hero of the era, receives. If he did listen to the gods instead of following his hubris, then perhaps he would have had a better ending.
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Good Thesis for Oedipus the King,
*Throughout the play,” Oedipus the King”, the narrator uses dramatic irony to characterize the main protagonist’s tragic life and the reason for his eventual demise.
Bad Thesis:
Throughout the play, Oedipus the King, the author uses various imagery choices to set up the main protagonist’s major conflict, which is caused by his hubris.
This is a bad thesis because it doesn’t give a precise enough statement, it is very overreaching and vague. It also doesn’t really give many points to write about and start from
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Kexin, I was hoping you’d post the thesis for the essay due on March 8th so I could offer some guidance. In any event, your “good” thesis here works. I agree that the “bad” one has problems. It is vague about the element of imagery, but it also brings in another large idea, which is the conflict. These are separate elements that don’t necessarily relate to each other and should be dealt with in separate essays.
Hey Kevin. You had some really interesting points about Oedipus’ pride and how it was his biggest flaw. We wouldn’t have a story if he weren’t the proud individual that he is. However, I think his biggest flaw was his tenacity. He was determined to prove himself to his people by avenging Lauis’ death and ridding the kingdom of its plague. Regardless of being warned by Tiresias that he would not be able to handle the truth, Oedipus pressures the blind prophet into submission. It all starts going downhill from there. In this case ignorance would have truly been bliss for Oedipus.
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Kexin, I certainly agree that Oedipus’s pride is a flaw that propels him towards his downfall. Many scholars agree that this is the central idea of the play. However, other scholars contend that the play is less about the protagonist’s flaw and more about the reality of the human condition. I tend to favor this second view of the play partly because I admire Oedipus in so many ways. It seems that no matter what he does, he is thwarted by a power beyond himself. The human condition is that there are things over which we ultimately do not have control. This is especially clear, for example, when we see bad things happening to good people who have worked hard and done their best. Ancient Greeks believed that the gods determined the fate of human beings. If the fates were against a person, that person could do nothing about it. Of course, it can be argued that Oedipus makes many mistakes in the play. However, he is a human being and all human beings, by definition, are flawed. Thanks for a good post!
When we are first introduced to King Oedipus we see that he is a king of the people. He listens to the problems and worries of his followers. He understands that their misfortunes are the misfortunes of the entire kingdom. We also learn that Oedipus is actually the newly appointed king of Thebes. He was awarded this position for ridding the kingdom of a man-eating sphinx who devoured anyone that could not solve its riddle. This made Oedipus very prideful of his accomplishment and makes his followers believe he is divine and guided by the gods. Regardless of this impressive feat, the fact that Oedipus is so determined to rid his kingdom of the plague that has befallen it gives me the impression that he still wants to prove himself a worthy ruler of Thebes. It also shows that Oedipus has a certain moral standard. He cannot sit by idly as his kingdom is suffering. He is a very knowledgable and proactive leader. He already knew the qualms that were developing amongst his people before hearing their request and as such sent his brother in law, Creon to find answers from Apollo’s shrine at Delphi. Oedipus’ determination is exemplified once again after he hears the news from Creon. He learns the plague will end after the former king of Thebes, Laius’ death is avenged. At this point we see that Oedipus is relentless in his pursuits. He will stop at nothing to find the murderer or murderers responsible. When Oedipus makes his public announcement we start seeing the ruthless side of Oedipus. He will severely punish those who withhold any information regarding the murderers. Oedipus’ calm and collected behavior that we experience in the beginning slowly starts to unravel. When the blind prophet Tiresias is brought forth, Oedipus pressures him for information. This is when we see the resentful and somewhat paranoid side of him. Tiresias accuses Oedipus of being the murderer. This infuriates Oedipus and he starts believing that Creon and Tiresias are plotting against him. We see that Oedipus is slowly succumbing to his paranoia as he immediately confronts Creon about this treachery he believes Creon is responsible for. All these events somewhat foreshadows what Oedipus is to become as the story progresses. He starts off as a mighty and proud king then slowly starts to spiral downwards.
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Good Thesis:
In “A White Heron” by Sarah Orne Jewett, the protagonist battles physical and mental hindrances which ultimately leads to life changing revelations.
Bad Thesis:
In “Salvation” by Langston Hughes, the author is sarcastic when recalling childhood events.
This is a bad thesis because it is just a general statement about the story.
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Syed, your “bad” thesis is definitely bad. I think you also need to narrow down your “good” thesis. Can you be more specific by what you mean about “physical and mental hindrances, which ultimately lead to life-changing revelations.” Can’t this same thing be said about “Araby” or many other stories? What exactly are the conflicts that Sylvia faces that lead to these life-changing revelations?
Syed, first of all I want to say that your understanding of the story exceeded mine by a long shot. I have a difficult time following translations of other languages to english because english is my second language, so thank you, you helped me to understand what was actually happening in the play better. I appreciate your character analysis of Oedipus. He is portrayed as a valiant king and leader of his people but then we start to question his character based on the accusations of Tereisias. Did Oedipus really commit the murder and then proclaim he would do whatever needed to be done to bring justice to the killers by throwing the others off his trail? Or his this a great mistake by Tereisias.
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Syed, this is a very insightful and thorough profile of Oedipus as we see him in the opening scenes of the play. You show clearly the positive side of the king who has saved the city from the sphinx and strives now to save it from the plague. He is knowledgeable and proactive, as you point out. For me, he is everything one would want in a king. I was stuck by your use of the word “ruthless” to describe him once he is challenged by Teiresias. He not only berates the old seer but also threatens him with physical punishment. A few others in the group have mentioned the religious beliefs of the citizens; Oedipus’s disrespect to Teiresias is alarming to the people because the old man is seen as the messenger of the gods. You also use the word “paranoia,” which is an extreme emotion that Oedipus begins to feel. In fact, much of your language is very descriptive here, including the allusion to the king’s downward spiral.
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In the first portion of the play, King Oedipus is portrayed as a king who has responsibility for the city of Thebes that he is ruling. In the drama, it states that “I do not care, if it has saved this city”. From this evidence, it shows if the city is saved, he does not care what will happen to him. Also, “I Oedipus whom all men call the Great” in this sentence, it shows King Oedipus has little condescension towards himself. King Oedipus has a conversation with Teiresias which is a blind prophet King Oedipus’s behavior is different. When Teiresias says what he knows about which is Oedipus is a murderer and he kills King Lauis, Oedipus shows his anger towards Teiresias. For example, “Indeed I am so angry I shall not hold back a jot of what I think. For I would have you know I think you were complotter of the deed and doer of the deed save in so far as for the
deed save in so far as for the actual killing”. In this evidence, it shows that Oedipus’s anger and his behavior is changed.
This part is connected to “so far as for the”
Good thesis:
The setting of “The White Heron” by Sarah Orne Jewett, in a wooded area in Northern Maine and peaceful of summer, highlights how much the protagonist love nature and animal.
Bad thesis:
Sometimes, someone who offers money to take away what you love, it will change your way of thinking.
This is a bad thesis statement because it is general and it does not show things change of protagonist.
Jiaxian, You have a good “good” thesis and a bad “bad” thesis. Watch for grammar: The setting of “A White Heron” by Sarah Orne Jewett, in a wooded area in northern Maine during the peaceful summer season, highlights how much the protagonist loves nature and animals.”
Jiaxian, yes, we see Oedipus’s strong sense of responsibility for the city at the beginning of the play. He is both compassionate and practical, determined to get to the root of the problem. And yes, he is aware of his own greatness. I think I would expect that in a king. Yet once his greatness is questioned, we begin to see another side of him.
Right from the beginning it is clear that Oedipus is a very proud and confident man based on the quote “I Oedipus whom all men call the Great”. Based on the week 6 material about ancient greek tragedies, I feel that this is the flaw in his characteristic that will lead to his downfall. Yes, pride is an important characteristic in a ruler, but arrogance can cloud ones judgement. However, Oedipus is a ruler who cares about the well being of his people, as all great rulers must. He cares about the pestilence and all the other problems that the priest describes in the first page. He is very thoughtful about those he rules, but also demonstrates a bad temper when he does not get what he wants when he wants it. He demands Teiresias reveal to him the knowledge that he is hiding, and then when it is that he, Oedipus, is in fact the one who killed King Laius. Either Oedipis is a liar or somehow has no recollection of killing the King Laius. At first he appears to be a noble man who cares for his people, but now his character is in question.
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Giulia, I appreciate the distinction you make here between pride and arrogance and how the latter can cloud a person’s judgment. You also juxtapose Oedipus’s compassion against his bad temper. This is a man who is used to making demands. Yet he seems to expect only positive response about himself. As you write, we begin to question his character with this confrontation with Tieresias.
By reading the play “Oedipus the King” I can tell that Oedipus it’s a good king since he faces situations and difficulties and he has a solution for it. I feel that he also gives us the sense that he is a man of God since he mention him a couple times such as “God will decide whether we prosper or remain in sorrow” I interpret this like he use God’s name to justify his actions and act upon his will. He also cares a lot for his people and their stability. I feel by showing us that he is a very kind person, but also a very powerful man we can see how the anger makes him blind. This also give us an idea that even though he is a King that doesn’t mean he has feelings. Also, Oedipus has a lot of changes in his personality, but the one that I can relate the most, it’s that he doesn’t listen anybody else because he thinks he is always right.
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Estefany, this is a very sympathetic portrayal of Oedipus to which I very much relate. I’m glad you mention his religiosity because this comes into play later on in the drama. A belief in the gods is fundamental to the values of the citizens. I like how you relate to Oedipus so honestly in your reference to your own sense of not tending to listen to others because of a surety of your own rightness. This too is can be a good trait if not carried too far.
King Oedipus is seen as a ruler fit for Thebes, his decision making is efficient enough to act upon many events that may occur. Due to previous severe events such as saving Thebes from the Sphinx’s curse, his pride is at its peak showing why he is so confident and proud of his work and him being in control of Thebes. He believes no one can fulfill the role as good as him. With his pride and confidence, he wanted to find out who killed the previous king of Thebes, Laius. Teiresias, the one who knows the previous king knows the truth that Oedipus seeks. As Oedipus demands the truth about Lauis Teiresias tells Oedipus that he already knows what happened. He claims that Oedipus killed Laius for the throne, with that said the way Oedipus is portrayed is changed. Oedipus blinded by his power becomes filled with anger and denial, He feels nothing but disrespect and humiliation from Teiresias.
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Brandon, in not too many words you have written an excellent profile of King Oedipus here. What I like about this analysis is that it touches on why the king is deservedly proud and confident. I’m one of those readers who admires Oedipus and feels that he is a good leader for whom pride and confidence are well-earned. Yet you also mention how this power blinds the King when he is confronted with dark suggestions. The theme of blindness runs through the play, so it is fitting that you use it metaphorically in your post.
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The character protagonist King Oedipus displays various emotions running through himself, as the play “Oedipus the King Sophocles” goes on throughout we can visualize the twist in King Oedipus up until the first reading. We begin with the opening of the play as the city of Thebes is under immense stress and plague. The priest and children stand in front of the palace crying out praying and making offerings Because of this the king Oedipus wants to see what is the reason for this, but he did not send out a messenger for this task, he felt the suffering of those crying out in pain in the front of the palace by ”I did not think it fit that I should hear of this from messengers but came myself,– I Oedipus whom all men call the Great.”(5-7).Here we see already two personality traits an extreme sense of empathy and pride from King Oedipus, as he holds himself in high regard as well feels the vast suffering of the city. Following in the play, once the prophecy stated, King Oedipus announces to the city of Thebes “who so among you knows the murderer by whose hand Laius, son of Labdacus, died—I command him to tell everything to me,– yes, though he fears himself to take the blame”(242-246). In this citation, we see King Oedipus having a clear sense of justice that even if you are the murderer he commands you to come forth and speak out. We then continue the play, and there is a distinct scene where the king is talking to the augur Teiresias about what he has seen in his prophecy but Teiresias will not answer him it as the truth would pain the both of them. As a result of this, Oedipus becomes aggravated evolving into hatred for Teiresias. Oedipus displays this hatred toward him, by threatening him directly in, “Indeed I am so angry I shall not hold back a jot of what I think. For I would have you know I think you were complotter of the deed and doer of the deed save in so far as for the actual killing. Had you had eyes I would have said alone you murdered him”(390-396). Because of this Teiresias responds, “I say you are the murderer of the king whose murderer you seek.”(415-416) when this is spoken Oedipus loses all his judgments, he then turns into a fearful man finally, he challenges his brother in law Creon as, a conspirator against his crown. The first reading of the play manifests how mixed the emotions of the protagonist King Oedipus changed due to the prophecy.
Yosef, you have focused very well on the dichotomy of Oedipus’s nature. He seems to present two sides of the same coin, as you point out. You note how his empathy stands in contrast to his pride, for instance. When things are going well and he is unchallenged, Oedipus seems capable of truly admirable traits. Thank you for including quotes to support your point that the king is a complex character with dark and light sides.
In this week’s reading, we see that the author Sophocles develops the main character of the play Oedipus to be a king that in some sort is insecure, does not trust the people he is surrounded by and is very impulsive.
At the beginning of the story, we see that everything is well and Oedipus and Jocasta are already married and he shows off as a confident person, yer somehow a little narcissistic “Oedipus whom all men call the Great.”
As the story develops we see that he finds himself surrounded by sick children and he can’t help to make himself look like some sort of untouchable being since he’s not sick, which furthermore proves his inability and irony to feel for the sick children and tend to their aid right away “My spirit groans for city and me and you at once”. He also proves to be coward since instead of aiding his own kingdom he sends his one of his most trusted messengers to find the Oracle and intends to take the credit himself “I sent Menoeceus’s, Jocasta’s brother, to Apollo, to his Pythian temple, that he might learn thereby what act or word I could save this city”.
Once the truth about the sick people is revealed, we can see the desperation and hypocrisy of Oedipus that lead him to the throne, a complex character that will rely on lying and cheating to achieve his ultimate goal of becoming someone and the person he always imagined to be, at the end of the story the realization of who he truly is and what he’s done is interpreted as not being to see and acknowledge who he is.
Thesis Statement: “How the arrival of the Handsome Drowen man; shaped and sculpt not only the monotonous, borning, and grey fishing village, but also magic realism into the modern world.”
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Juliana, you make some good observations about Oedipus here, especially about his more negative traits of being impulsive, untrusting, and insecure. It’s interesting that powerful people who seem so confident can actually be insecure, as you point out. I do think you might rethink the idea that he lacks compassion, however. Why do you doubt that his spirit does not groan for the city? He seems to express that his pain is greater, not because he is narcissistic but because as king he suffers for all his subjects, a bit the way a father might suffer for his children. I also think it is normal for the king to dispatch someone else on an errand. You are absolutely right though that this is a complex character with many sides. Please be sure to view my comment on your thesis statement.
Juliana, I disagree with your statement about him being a coward, I think that is his way of trying to exercise his arrogance and power that he has over the kingdom. He is trying to make it seem like the kingdom will fall apart without him and thats why he is sending his most trusted messenger. He is making a statement by showing that he himself is not going to go and that he has people who will listen to his orders. He does make it seem like he is an untouchable being because of the amount of power he has and trying to enforce upon the kingdom.
King Oedipus introduces himself in an arrogant way as stated in line 7, “Oedipus whom all men all the Great”. This characteristic is not uncommon for a king or nobleman. Oedipus learns of an issue that is affecting Thebes. Oedipus shows compassion when he encounters the priest and a group of children concerned about Thebes. Oedipus states in line 72, “My spirit groans for city and myself and you at once”. Oedipus is concerned for the city and citizens of Thebes. He sends messengers to find out what the problem is and how he can remedy the problem. Oedipus learns of the problem, a murderer is among them, and he must find out who they are and kill them and rid the problem plaguing the city. As Oedipus speaks to the chorus, he states on line 246, “for bitter punishment he shall have none”, Oedipus is a fair king. He will not rush to judgment in the process of finding the murderer and no harm will come to anyone with information about the murderer. Oedipus is told by Teiresias that he is the murderer which leaves him feeling insulted and threatened. Oedipus resorts to insults with his interaction with Teiresias thinking his claims are absurd. Oedipus starts out as a fair and compassionate king, looking for a way to better his city by ridding it of this murderer. After the claim that he is the murderer, Oedipus is defensive and irrational. During his interaction with Creon, he fears his loss of power and threatens to kill Creon. I think the truth of who the murderer is will reveal itself later in the story and Oedipus will only become more irrational.
Good thesis statement: Araby by Jame Joyce explores the romanticized imagination of a young boy and his experience when faced with reality.
Bad thesis statement: This essay will discuss the coming of age of a young boy in Araby by James Joyce.
This is a bad thesis statement because I am just stating what I will be writing about.
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Kenny, first let me address your thesis statements. You have a good thesis statement! Just be sure that in your essay you stick to it and show that change from idealistic boy to one who has tasted a bitter reality. Your “bad” one is definitely bad for the reasons you give.
Your response to Oedipus is excellent and thorough. Thank you for including quotes, which really help to support your points. You mention the king’s compassion though much of your discussion seems to focus on Oedipus’s more negative side. I like how you are thinking and anticipating how things might unfold.
Hi Kenny, I do agree with you that Oedipus was brought out as an empathetic character when he was feeling for the city’s destruction and plague, however when he is introduced as “Oedipus whom all men all the Great”. I don’t think that this is himself boast of his greatness but rather this is a common state that all know him as a great man for saving them all from the sphinx by answering the riddle that none were able to at that time. So in respect to that it quite normal for people to introduce themselves with accomplishments that they had done in their lives.
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The character Oedipus can be characterized by a few traits such as temperamental, assertive, and shallow. These traits are obvious even within the first pages as he accepts news from Creon in front of the city without thinking whether or not the bad news could harm the city. Oedipus’s conversation with Creon was instead a public spectacle which led to him accusing the citizens with extreme prejudice. This interaction alone demonstrates his assertive nature as a ruler but also his shallow thinking when he is faced with problems. Oedipus’s temperamental nature reveals itself further during his conversation with Teiresias. He greets this prophet with respect and appraise but when Teiresias refuses to reveal his visions, Oedipus becomes furious and more furious by the second. Here, we also see that Oedipus is stubborn in his pursuit of “The Truth” despite being told that t would only hurt him and the city.
Justin, all the traits you mention do become apparent in Oedipus. It’s very interesting how you show both sides of each trait; for example, you show how the king’s assertiveness helps him be a strong ruler but works against him when he feels threatened. You do the same in discussing his temperamental nature, which is very good. You show clearly how he often presents two sides of a coin.
To be completely honest, I had a very difficult time understanding this writing, but I will give this analysis a shot. From the very beginning of the play, Oedipus from the Greek tragedy “Oedipus the King”, Is shown to be somebody who can capture a crowd’s attention. He speaks poetically and with great care and confidence- a perfect formula for charisma. Additionally, he is likable from his “humility” seen from him giving credit and praise to the gods. Like any good leader, he wants to hear from all his people “Children, young sons and daughters of old Cadmus” and see what he can do to help them. He becomes set on trying to solve the mystery of the murder of the town’s king before his arrival. However, his extravagant behavior, while exciting, had previously led him to be impulsive and kill a man.
Hey Sima,
I also didn’t completely understand the story of Oedipus, but I got some of it.Oedipus could be described as a complex person but he’s also trying to do his best.But unfortunately his pride and conceitedness gets the best of him.Throughout the play,we see a Oedipus who’s trying to get the truth about this murder that occurs in Thebes, he’s gives a small motivating speech in lines 232 and 233 where he says men have the strength to uncover the real truth about this murder.
Sima, it seems to me from your response that you actually have quite a good understanding of Oedipus.
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In “Oedipus The King” , the beginning we could describe Oedipus as a person who quick to take charge and make decisions, which could relate to him being conceited. In Line 7 , it’s states “ I Oedipus whom all the men call the Great” this revels he got a complexion of him being a “God” to the other people of Thebes. But towards the middle, Oedipus is motivating leader in Thebes. Lines 232 and 233 “ and hearing welcome and fight the plague, you will find strength and lightning of your load” , I could described this as motivating because he giving the other men motivate and encouraging them. Oedipus behavior does shift into a aggressive and anger when he’s blamed for murder. He seems to confident , but at times there are moment where he gets insecure and starts to become untrusting of others. For example, in line 370 says “ Would you betray us and the destroy the city?”; he starts to question the loyalty of Teiresias.
Hi Lizanjela,
I never really considered Oedipus’ insecurities. Every time I’ve read “Oedipus Rex,” I was always so quick to point out and reprove his pride and anger, but never tried to understand why he is this way. You make a point that sort of puts together the pieces of why he’s so insistent to understand who murdered Laius. He’s insecure deep inside and maybe being proud and quick to anger is a coping method for that insecurity.
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Curtains open. Oedipus opens his mouth. Immediately we hear his ego when he says, “I Oedipus whom all men call the Great” (line 7), perhaps it is the ego worthy of a king. Despite his ego, I feel that his people respect and value him, isn’t that why they chose to go to him with their ailments. Oedipus also cares for his people, “Indeed I’m willing to give all that you may need; I would be very hard should I not pity suppliants like these” (line 10). We learn pretty quickly that Oedipus’ people think of him “as a God” (line 35). I don’t think he’s a bad person. I think Oedipus genuinely cares and wants the best for his people. Unfortunately, he thinks much too much of himself, and as we learn towards the end of our reading he also has a nasty temper. In particular when he doesn’t get his way. “Is it endurable that I should hear such words from him? Go and a curse go with you! Quick, home with you! Out of my house at once” (line 502). Pride and rage is not a good combo. Oh, Oedipus, if only you weren’t so quick to anger to defend your pride.
Good Thesis: A crucial component to understand a story’s tone is the setting, for example in “Araby,” James Joyce writes a world that is cold, distant, and monochromatic.
(I tried something a little different than what I would normally do in this thesis so I hope to get some feedback).
Bad Thesis: Without the setting in “Araby” by James Joyce we wouldn’t understand what’s going on.
(It’s bad because it isn’t arguable or specific)
Hi Curtis.
I loved the style you used to write this comment. It almost sounds like you are reporting for a newspaper. It is a very wise thing, that “pride and anger are not a good combo”, although I would argue that they are not great on their own either. It appears that deep down Oedipus is a good person, however, it is hard for me to comfortably agree with you on that due to the fact he casually killed an old guy in the desert.
King Oedipus is known as a hero who saved the city of Thebes from the Sphinx by correctly answering one of her riddles. This resulted in him becoming the King of Thebes. He is thought to be as a great ruler who is understanding of the subjects’ needs, which feeds into to his exaggerated confidence as a king. He faces a double edge sword due to his ability to act swiftly, with some cases ending up working in his favor, and other cases to be working against him. His arrogance is translated into his inability to listen to any guidance from his peers but expects the same amount of respect as he gives to his peers. He has the ability and potential to be a compassionate and understanding ruler, yet his power and position create conflict in allowing him to be humble.
Good Thesis’:
1) In “A White Heron,” by Sarah Orne Jewett, the protagonist experiences a non-traditional coming-of-age by rejecting the transition to adulthood and nurtures the independence, happiness, and freedom of her child-like state.
2) In “Araby,” by James Joyce, the narrator initially uses whimsical fantasies of the city setting to portray the protagonist‘s excitement of romanticism, but is then confronted by the irony of the banal bazaar, thus realizing how illusionary his fantasies were.
3) In “Salvation” by Langston Hughs, the narrator uses an exaggerated and dramatic church setting help portray the protagonist’s feelings of pressure and disappointment while being faced with the legitimacy of his faith in God.
Bad Thesis’:
1) In “A White Heron” by Sarah Orne Jewett, the protagonist experiences a coming-of-age.
2) In “Salvation” by Langston Hughes, the narrator is thought to be solemn when he looses faith in God.
Soraya, please see my comments in my email to you. Your thesis about setting here works! Your first one about “A White Heron” is also good. See comments about setting in “Araby” in my email.
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In the beginning of “Oedipus the King” Oedipus seems like the type of person who is concerned about everyone in the city. It seems that he wants to save their city and is willing to be the first one in doing so. When he found out that the king was murdered he wanted to know everything that happened and wanted to make sure if it was or was not related to the plague that could harm the people. He seemed like the type of person who is concerned about everyone else and is willing to find a solution to any problem. He is a believer that God will decide what will happen. Once Teiresias accused Oedipus of murdering the king his attitude changed from nice and caring to mad and to someone who only cares about themselves. When he said “for my own interest, yes” and “But yet I must be ruler” it really showed his true colors. He would not do something that will benefit a friend but will do something that benefits him. Oedipus is the type of person who thinks he is doing the right thing for the city when in reality everything he’s done has helped him in a way; it’s something that he has yet to realize.
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Hello Shirly,
I totally agree with you on how King Oedipus was so proactive and caring about the city of Thebes. It is refreshing to see how you examined God in the story, the designated path and it truly reflected on Oedipus. The usage of God is what I have missed when I was reading the story. The conversation between Oedipus and Teiresias has highlighted Oedipus’s short-tempered that leads to his own tragedy. I admired his personality as a King, however, I disagree that he is doing everything for his own sake. I believe his short-tempered nature was the main factor that determines his downfall in the story.
Shirly,
I agree with your response as King Oedipus is concern about the city of Thebes. In the play, when King Oedipus has a conversation with Teiresias, Oedipus keeps mention about the city. And he says “ I do not care, if it has saved this city”. This evidence shows that his sense of responsibility for the city and I think if the city is saved, King Oedipus does not care what bad things happen to him.
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King Oedipus appears to be a proud and confident hero whom overcomes obstacles, yet his irritable nature contributes to his fate, Line 7, “I Oedipus whom all men call the Great”. Due to Oedipus’s short-tempered nature that leads him in a fight with King Laius at the crossroads, which buried himself in regret. Oedipus’s conceited characteristic has overlook Tiresias’s advice as Tiresias warns him against the consequences of the investigation of Laius’ death. Oedipus’s arrogant-self has leads him to solve the mystery of King Laius’ death and his own birth, the continuous investigations becomes the ultimate tragedy when Oedipus realizes the truth and his fate, which determines his downfall.
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Good Thesis statement
The setting of “Araby” by James Joyce, a shabby dead-end street described as “blind”, transition from darkness to light, portraits the protagonist’s unrealistic illusion to reality of life.
Bad Thesis Statement
In the story, Araby, by James Joyce, the narrator experienced extreme disturbance with embarrassment and disappointment that leads to his empty promises.
This statement does not address the promote and it is simply a statement of fact about the plot.
Ellen, the idea of your “good” thesis works, but this needs rewording for sentence structure and clarity.
Oedipus shows multiple characteristics. Many of his characteristics wind up contradicting himself towards the end of our reading. Oedipus starts out very prideful yet assertive. In the beginning of the text, Oedipus says, “I Oedipus whom all men call the Great” (7). This shows Oedipus is very prideful of his social standing, but many kings, even queens, refer and recognize their power. Some may argue that he is prideful, but I think he is being assertive and recognizing his role among the people. Oedipus shows in multiple circumstances that he is selfless. He is constantly putting the needs of his people before himself. He even sends out Creon to find out who the murderer is to protect his kingdom. We see that Oedipus makes a constant reference to god. I wouldn’t use God; capitalized, because he refers to “some God ” or “a God ” meaning he may believe in multiple gods. Whomever he believes in, he is seen confiding in or referring to a god in multiple dialogues. Oedipus is very determined. We are shown Oedipus’ determination by his constant perseverance in finding the murderer. Last but not least, Oedipus shows a lack of trust. It seems that Oedipus only trusts himself . When Oedipus says “I will not serve a distant friend’s advantage, but act in my own interest”(138-139), we are shown how Oedipus only trusts his judgement. Towards the end of our assigned reading, we see that Oedipus begins to contradict the majority of these characteristics. He becomes angry and refuses to believe the prophecy before him. Oedipus starts to show more characteristics of selfishness. His main focus becomes himself rather than his kingdom.
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Hi Ava!
I agree that Oedipus seems to have some sort of multi-personality disorder going on. His arrogance and pride are extremely overwhelming and, psychologically speaking, it’s clearly a mask for all of the insecurities and lack of confidence (internally) he may be struggling with. Though I believe his determination and perseverance are traits that make up for that fact as well. When Oedipus starts to experience anger and distrust, I believe this becomes a clear reflection of his true insecure feelings that may have been buried deep within him.
In “Oedipus The King”, we are introduced to a prideful Oedipus. He shows us his soft compassionate side when he stops to speak to a priest and children being affected by the plague put on the whole city. He gets news from his messenger that the reason the city is cursed is that the killer of the last king is still living in the city amongst them. He shows us he is concerned for the well being of his people when he asks them to come forward with any information they have on the murderer. He promises no harm will be done to anyone with information. Oedipus has a conversation with an oracle, Teiresias, who implies that Oedipus is the killer. We watch The king go into a rage. In the beginning, we see Oedipus go from a man of sympathy and empathy to a man with blind anger. He becomes defensive and fearful of losing his power and control. Some may say that these are actions of a guilty man.
Good thesis statement: Salvation by Langston Hughes narrates the protagonist’s coming to the realization that God is not real.
Bad thesis statement: Langston Hughes found out god was not real
This is bad because it is not in-depth.
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Thajmire, both your statements are basically the same except one is expressed with more words. However, the central idea works and could be developed in an essay.
Section 0503: In the beginning of the play we see that King Oedipus is quick on his toes. He is able to anticipate the needs of his people and get done what needs to get done. Due to his quick thinking he’s always one step ahead of his people. Though, just because he’s usually one step ahead of his people doesn’t mean he is perfect, as the play goes on we see the King’s anger take over him at times and cause him to be impulsive / act without thinking. In the beginning of the play because of his quick thinking the King was a very cocky confident man, which was for the most part justified due to the fact that he was always anticipating something and then was right, but this changed later on. As the play progresses we see progression with the King’s character, in the beginning of the story he had a sort of thinking that he can control everything that was going on in his life and around him but due to the events that have occurred he was given a wider perspective on things and then realized that he couldn’t control everything and that sometimes life is unpredictable.
I like how you pointed out that the king’s quick thinking can often lead him to making mistakes. He thinks too far ahead without allowing others to give input because he believes he is correct in every way. I think he is indeed very confident and cocky, his attitude in the very beginning shows this.
Weronika, please be sure to address comments to others by name. Also, make sure all posts meet the length requirement.
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Thesis statement for ¨Salvation¨ by Langston Hughes
In ¨Salvation¨ by Langston Hughes it’s clear that through the overall tone of the story that it is one speaking of or looking back on the naivete that we all experience through childhood and how we grow from it.
King Oedipus is a wise and understanding ruler and these are qualities that every leader should exhibit. He constantly wants to hear what the Athenian audience has to say at put himself in their shoes. When he sees that there are plenty of people gathered around the palace, he questions this and asks his brother i law Creon for guidance. Oedipus is open to hear what he has to do in order to make adjustment, but he wants to leave his own legacy on the empire. He is almost contradicting himself because he wants to help and is all for he people but at the same time he has this envy where he becomes the killer of the previous King and he does not want this to be known. Also, his pride is something that gets in the way of his judgement and Creon often questions his judgement when needed. The origin of him as a King is gravitating because he killed his father who he did not know was the king or his father at the given moment. This goes on to later be developed in is life as this untrustworthy individual that he is.
I believe that Oedipus is a good ruler but also quite vain. He serves his people well, assisting the priest immediately when he comes to ask for help, hoping they can wear a laurel which signifies good news. He asks the priest of his problems and hopes to relieve the kingdom of its issues. His confidence however overflows, as he takes in no opinion but his own. He knows his words are right as the kingdom needs desperate help, but in giving luck he cuts others short. When it is revealed that the king is in fact dead, Oedipus looks to find the murderer and hopes to have him dead as it would avenge the king but also prove that he is strong and righteous. As the chorus questions Oedipus, he is reluctant to say he thought too quickly and that his actions were rightfully thought through and were enough.
Thesis statement: “Salvation”
Langston Hughes is put through a stressful situation and explains his rough feelings about guilt after he lied to his religious aunt, thus making the underlying theme misalignment with religion.
Thesis statement: “Salvation”
The theme of Salvation is misalignment with religion because Langston Hughes shows struggle.
This thesis statement lacks information which you will explain in the body of your paragraphs, it has no substance to it, nor does it explain anything.
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Weronika, you need to work on this thesis statement. The phrasing needs rewording. “Misalignment with religion” is an odd and general phrase. What exactly do you mean by this? What exactly does the protagonist feel about religion at the end of the incident? The “bad” thesis is also unclear because of this wording.
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Good thesis:
When the protagonist in “A White Heron”, does not give into greed and temptation, she preserves her innocents.
Bad thesis:
In this essay, I will be talking about how Sylvia preserves her innocents in “A White Heron” by Sarah Orne Jewett.
This is a bad thesis because I am announcing what I plan on writing rather then getting to my point and digging into my topic. It does not make a relation between Sylvia and her innocents portrayed in the story.
Ava, this is a good reworking of one idea, showing how to shape a thesis statement.
King Oedipus has many qualities and it is all shown through his words. In the beginning he portrayed to us that he is responsible , its his responsibilty for the city of thebes the city that he is ruiling, and with that it goes into all of his other qualities that I will be mentioning. Oedipus is very determined. Oedipus was determined to prove himself to everyone that he is in fact worthy by trying to find and figure out who murdered the past king to save the city, even though it was him all along. Which leads to him being two faced, because he is acting all innocent like he aint do anything by showing his people his determination into finding and punishing the murderer of Laius. Another quality I noticed that I would say is his main flaw, is being too prideful and arrogant because of his accomplishments and abilities, and also thinks he can control his fate.
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In the beginning of this play write the protagonist Oedipus gives a great sense of a strong and strategic ruler that will do anything to help his city to thrive again. However, he can be portrayed as arrogant and stubborn for not taking a word of advice by Teiresias when he warns him “It will be easiest for us both to bear our several destines to the if you will follow my advice”. Another characteristic that also came to my attention is that Oedipus can be gullible in the sense he thinks the world and his allies are against him when they are only trying to help him.
His insistence to be told of what Teiresias has seen, he becomes aggressive and unreasonable after his requested prophecy has been given to him and dismisses the key details. I do feel his judgment of the prophecy is being clouded by his jealousy of Creon.
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