Discussion Board 6.2

  1. The word faction is another way to refer to class in a society. When referenced in Federalist Paper #10, a faction could be a majority or a minority of the nation as a whole.
  2. According to James Madison in the Federalist Papers #10, the source of wealth is from an individual with the faculties, which are their abilities and interests, that are sufficient to produce such wealth. Because people have different faculties, we are unable to all have the same interests. It is because of this that the protection of property was sought for, as many would maybe not have the interest of protecting the property of the filthy rich.
  3. I don’t fully agree with this idea that wealth and property is attained simply through an individual’s faculties. Wealth is something that is more than likely handed down, rather than solely attained through an individual’s interest. I’m sure many hardworking Americans have it in their interest to be a millionaire one day, yet there are millions who live paycheck to paycheck and may take their entire lifetime to even make that much money.
  4. The core mission of the government, based off of the Federalist Papers #10, is to protect the different interests and abilities of the people. The reason these faculties are made important is because the owning class needs their faculties protected the most. Yet, they need a government that tries to appease the majorities interests at the same time or at least try to seem to do so. I think this structure is spot on to our society today. Our attention is focused toward culture wars that are made to feel like they are never ending while the institutions that are built to uphold the marginalized and the needy are put at risk, companies are bailed out with taxpayer dollars, and the rich get tax cuts while the wages of the working class stay idle.
  5. I am not surprised that Federalist Paper #10 is in support of a republic rather than a pure democracy. As James Madison wrote, the faculties of all must be protected. This includes the wealthy, and he knew that the owning class’s interests would not be upheld if the majority/working class made the decisions when it came to government. Now, in protecting the faculties of the owning class as much as the majority class, the owning class is left with the most power as they have access to more wealth and resources than the majority class.

Juan Garcia Figueroa 6.2

What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?

1)= Faction reminds me the social classes that make up our society sinces A faction is a group of individuals who share a common interest, often in opposition to the interests of other groups like the working class for example

According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”

2)= In this context falculties refers to innate abilities, talents or something that makes the person stand out so the authors of the constitution thought that inequality was inevitable in society because this encourages ambition and production and according to James he says that people’s skills and capabilities naturally lead to economic inequality, getting back to the idea that those who are skilled are successful so basically it says that wealth is a result of natural differences among people

Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?

3)= I agree a little with this because i think the way society works forces everyone who does not come from a wealthy family to remain “poor” unless they become somebody skilled and capable and find a way to achieve financial success which is possible and it has happened before

What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.

4)= It seems that the core mission of the government is to protect private property. I am not surprised since this was the main idea and reason why the Constitution was created and why the upper class supported it. The founders aimed to defend the economic interests of those who owned wealth and property

Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would d the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…

5)= I am not surprised that it is not in favor of democracy because it supports a small group owning wealth the elite, in a republican government, this elite can protect and continue to uphold this system. If the lower classes were given full democratic control, they might pass laws that redistribute wealth or implement policies that negatively affect the interests of the wealthy. In other words, the republican system limits the power of the poor majority

    Jesus Catarino – How Class Influenced the U.S Constitution(6.2)

    1) What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?

    The concept of factions it reminds me of social classes, so just like factions the social classes are groups of people that are united by common interest like social or political like wealthy landowners and merchants against the poor farmers and the working class the laborers.

    2) According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”

    According to the “Federalist #10” the source of wealth or the private property comes from the natural differences from people’s abilities which Madison calls them their faculties and the faculties would refer as the people’s own talent their skills their natural abilities that they have to succeed in work or businesses, Madison thinks that the difference in abilities demonstrate or shows us how some people can gather wealth and also own their own land or business while others can’t, that the wealthy class is made up of people who has the talents, resources and opportunities to succeed in society while the poor are those who don’t have the same advantages as them, so the difference between wealth comes from natural inequalities between people some are born with more abilities that allow them to get property and succeed economically while other people are not that lucky.

    3) Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?

    Personally I don’t agree with Madison on his explanation of wealth and poverty, i mean I do understand that individual abilities and talents can be very important to someone’s success but there can be many other factors that influence wealth and poverty today, more that natural ability, I think that abilities matter but it’s not just about talent on it’s own but also having access some luck and also on how the system we live in.

    4) What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.

    According to the “Federalist #10” the “First Object” is to protect the rights of property and to ensure that individual freedoms are secured, Madison he believed that the governments main role was to create a system where people could safely use their property without interference from others or more powerful factions, It does surprise me a bit because if you think about the Governments role it’s not just about protecting property but also expecting the Government to provide us access to education or healthcare also it’s about ensuring general welfare and equality and providing for the needs of every citizen not just the wealthy.

    5) Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would d the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…

    Yeah, I’m not really surprised that “Federalist #10” doesn’t favor a pure democracy and instead supports a Republican (representative) form of government it make sense when you consider the time and the concerns of social class and faction that Madison lets us know in his paper, Madison was worried that in a pure democracy the majority which was made up of poorer and less powerful people could make decisions that disadvantage the minority like the wealthy landowners and elites, Madison and the other framers of the constitution didn’t want a system where the majority could just vote on things without considering the long term consequences or the rights of the wealthy people, where the masses could make decisions that hurt the property owning class or disrupt the social class, so a republican form of government with elected representatives looked like the best way to go to ensure that the government stayed stable, controlled and also protect the interests of the elite class while giving the people a voice.

    DISCUSSION BOARD 6.2

    1. What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of? The concept of “faction” in Federalist #10 is closely connected with social class contradictions and economic inequality which were discussed earlier in connection with the adoption of the Constitution. A faction is a group of persons, having common interest, the type of group which has interest that may be incompatible with that of other persons. This is especially so in the case of economic class, for instance, the rich against the poor. This is in harmony with the earlier discussions of how the Founding Fathers established the government in a way that hindered the power of the ordinary people and protected the power of the wealthy. 2. In Federalist #10, what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? In Federalist #10, Madison explains that the source of wealth and private property is the difference in the natural abilities of individuals, their talents, and faculties. The passage states: “The source of this inequality of property (unlike that of moral equality) is not so simple as to admit of a precise definition. In this case, ‘faculties’ means people’s natural intellect, zeal, and talents. According to Madison, since every individual is created different in intellect and zeal, some will accumulate wealth and others will not. This explanation tells us that economic disparity is a natural and inevitable occurrence in society. Nevertheless, this also tells us about the views that the authors of the Constitution had towards wealth and poverty – they thought that the wealthy had their property coming to them because they were more gifted, and the poor did not have property because they did not have the same faculties. This view does not consider other factors like systemic barriers, lack of education, or inherited wealth that are also causes of economic disparity. 3. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty? Madison’s explanation is only correct to some extent and, at the same time, incorrect. It is true that, to a certain extent, the talents and efforts of people can lead to financial success. However, economic status, social equity, education, and the availability of resources are also a major determinant of who gets rich and who stays poor. For instance, someone from a high income family has a better chance of attending better schools, having contact with professionals and financial support than someone from a low income family who will be faced with more barriers even with the same intelligence. Furthermore, other social factors like race, gender, and workplace harassment also affect economic outcomes. Hence, there is no doubt that talent helps, but wealth is also a function of social and structural factors that Madison did not consider. 4. What is the primary purpose (first object) of the U.S. government? Does this surprise you? Does it vary from what our society today believes to be the primary purpose of the government? From Federalist #10 we can see that the primary purpose (“first object”) of government is to protect property. To this end, Madison argues that since economic inequalities are inherent in society, the role of government should be to shield the property owners’ interests and not to equalize the economy. This perspective may be surprising because today, the government is often seen as having a broader role — to protect not only property but also individual rights, the general welfare, and social justice. We live in a modern democratic society and we value freedom, equality, and protection of civil rights. Nevertheless, in practice, the government remains biased towards economic concerns, for instance, supporting business, cutting taxes for the rich, and having the latter influence politics through lobbying. This shows that although the public debate on democracy and equality has developed, the government’s economic focus is still in line with Federalist #10. 5. Are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not democratic and favours a Republican (representative) form of government, and the author is against (pure) democracy? Why would the author not want a (pure) democratic form of government? It is not surprising that Federalist #10 is against direct democracy and prefers a Republican (representative) form of government. This was because Madison was worried that in a direct democracy the majority of people (who were predominantly poor and without property) would use their power to influence the passage of laws that would risk the wealth and property of the elite class. He regarded democracy as a threat to property owners because the low income people would demand the sharing of wealth or other changes in the economy that would erode the power of the rich. Rather, Madison supported a kind of representative democracy in which the decision-making process would be made by elected politicians, who were likely to be from the higher income and education bracket. This system guaranteed that the elite would keep the power while giving the appearance of citizen participation. This dislike of direct political power for the masses was further encouraged by the fear of mob rule and lower class uprisings such as Shays’ Rebellion. This goes back to our discussion on social classes: The authors of the Constitution created the government to safeguard the rights of the elite, and to prevent the lower classes from exercising too much influence. This idea is still present in the American politics of today, as the economic elites and corporations still exert a disproportionate influence on the laws and policies.

    ARTUR GORBENKO

    Faction reminds us of the idea of different social classes with opposing interests, like the wealthy landowners and merchants versus poor farmers and laborers.

    According to Federalist #10, the source of wealth (private property) comes from the “diversity in the faculties of men.” Faculties refer to people’s abilities, intelligence, and skills. Madison argues that some people have better abilities to acquire wealth, while others do not, which leads to inequality.

    Whether or not I agree depends on whether I believe wealth is only based on personal abilities or if other factors, like social conditions and opportunities, play a role.

    The core mission (“first object”) of the U.S. government is to protect private property and the ability of people to acquire wealth. This might be surprising because today, many people believe the government’s role is to serve and protect all citizens equally, not just protect the wealthy.

    It is not surprising that Federalist #10 is against direct democracy and supports a Republican form of government. The wealthy feared that in a pure democracy, the majority (poor people) would vote to take away their wealth. By having a republic, power stays in the hands of elected representatives, who were mostly from the upper class.

    Discussion Board 6.2


    1. What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?
    2. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”
    3. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?
    4. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.
    5. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would d the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…