Discussion 6.2

Question 1

The term faction reminds me of separation of classes.

Question 2

The source of wealth originates from different diversities and the interests of men. This includes their ability to invest or seek convincing opportunities. These are the factors that determine an individual’s path accumulating path.

Question 3

I don’t agree with this explanation in terms of wealth and poverty. I believe that wealth is defined by individual hard work and interest to learn. However, in upper-middle-class families, the children tend to inherit wealth from their parents.

Question 4

The core mission “first object” of the US government involves understanding the diversity in the faculties of men. This is interesting and surprising given that our society today is rotten with corruption and the accumulation of wealth through unlawful means.

Question 5

I believe the author dislikes the (pure) democratic form of government with the basis of the existing facts on the separation of classes and relative influence on politics. The politicians believe that pure democracy will facilitate equality in the distribution of wealth and resources in society, an aspect that does not apply.

Discussion 6.2

Q #1: Both concepts that were discussed in class that strike me for “faction” are social class and political parties.

Q #2: Federalist number 10 exclaim that the faculties of men is the source of wealth which translates to their position in society including what they inherit.

Q #3: obviously the rich are still rich and the poor are going to continue to be poor.

Q #4: The prime mission that the US government has prioritized has been protecting the wealth of the online class and assisting in then becoming richer by enabling them ways to do this. It is not at all shocking the way the wealthy continue to look out for each other.

Q #5: federalist number 10 is not in favor of the Democratic Party which is not even the slightest bit shocking. This is since they believe that the Republican Party enables them to be protected in the wealthy class’ interest and therefore it is only right that they favor the republican party versus any other.

Nuzhat Fatima – DB 6.2

1- According to the interpretation, a faction is described as “a group of citizens, whether a majority or a minority of the total population, who are united and motivated by a single impulse of passion or interest, opposing the rights of other citizens.” It makes me think of how societal categories were separated into factions.

2- The primary goal of the US government has been to safeguard the riches of the wealthy elite while also providing opportunities for them to expand their fortunes. It’s no surprise that the rich are continually on the lookout for one another.

3- In my perspective, this depiction of wealth and poverty is accurate. The richest individuals ruled politics and the economy at the time, and they still do so now. However, the government cannot continually placate the upper class by protecting their interests and power; minority groups, ordinary citizens, and the working class all deserve equal possibilities in life.

4- The United States government’s principal aim is to defend, protect, and promote the affluent. This is not unexpected to me because wealth is a source of power with societal implications. It appears to be no different from today’s society, as wealthy individuals continue to wield power, resulting in distinct social classes. Because we still live in a society where the working class and capitalists are inseparable. This condition has evolved into a societal requirement.

5- Unsurprisingly, they are anti-democratic and pro-Republican. To maintain the benefits of the affluent elite, democracy will very definitely require the wealthy to relinquish some of their privileges. Personal property will not be safeguarded, according to the author, if a purely democratic form of governance is implemented.

DB 6.2

  1. Two concepts we discussed in class that reminds me of “Faction” are Political parties and Social class
  2. According to federalists #10 the source of wealth is the faculties of men, which refers to their positon in society and also what they inherits.
  3. Yes the rich are still rich and the poor are still poor
  4. The core mission of the US government has been to protect the wealth of the owning class and making them richer by given them ways to do so. Not surprising the wealthy always look out for each other.
  5. No surprise that federalist #10 is not in favor of the Democratic party , believing that the Republican can protect the interest of the wealthy class its only right that they favor the Republican party instead.

Chanel S – D.B

What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?

  1. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”

The source of wealth comes from someone owning an area of land and slaves.  By distinguishing between the rich and the poor, the government gains control over the upward mobility of its citizens. The government, specifically the constitution, is the main factor that determines who stays rich and who stays poor. The construction and  modification of the government during this time keeps the affluent in their own class. 

  1. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?

I agree with the explanation of wealth and poverty. This is maintained in the current world. The government conditioned its citizens to behave a certain way and has endorsed the policies used that continue the practices. I do not in particular agree with the sentiment that the explanation has. I think that there are ways that people can maintain their wealth, or lose their wealth in an unfortunate circumstance. 

  1. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.

The protection of the facilities (classes) is the first object of the government. The core mission of the US government is to maintain the wealth of the most affluent class. This does not surprise me because I have seen this happening in the current day climate. There is a large portion of the country who is trying to gain upward mobility, and unfortunately it is impossible to do in today’s society. It takes a lot to be rich. 

  1. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…

I am not surprised that the paper is in favor of the replublican form of government. They would dislike the democratice form of government because it will allow other citizens (poor) to have a voice and potentially make moves to support other poor citizens.

Maria Kaye- What is..

1.It reminds me of concept of the founding fathers, belonging to the established social order, in the terms of establishing regulations for themselves, and leaving a large majority of groups out.

2.According to James Madison, the source of wealth comes from faculties made up of white males, in connection to the founding fathers, wanting the ones in government then to have property and so on. Which helped in keeping their status and set them apart from the rest of the classes and guard their wealth. In which continues the cycle of only the 1% or so being able to achieve the wealth and pass it on.

3.I do agree with the explanation of wealth and poverty, as today it still exist. I don’t however agree that wealth should be only gained or contained to the same few individuals that have more power. It is because of this power and connection that poverty is still alive today. It hasn’t changed much since the country was established. Poverty can be diminished if equality existed in the world, giving others the same opportunity, rather than helping the already rich to maintain their status.

4.The core mission or “first object” is to guard the wealthy and their status. It does not surprise me one bit that from the very beginning this was the goal, and it still is today, although sugar coated a bit. I think that the government tries to say it is for the people, but it really isn’t, it’s for the wealthy that keep on giving. I believe that back then in the founding father era their mission was to keep the wealthy in a sort of safety net, and it still continues. The working class and the lower class even today still struggle to be helped, to be seen and heard.

5.Truly not surprised by Federalist #10 opposes democracy and follows the republican party. As I mentioned in a different discussion board, this way of thinking is from old school white wealthy men that has passed on their families, just like their wealth. I think the author would dislike a democracy as it would mean that the majority would actually finally benefit from the wealthy and not the other way around. I also think the author would dislike this as it would mean the protection or shield that has been created from the wealthy would be gone, leaving them to actually live by what it says. It would mean that all are equal, no more upper class like there is now.

Linda Li – CLASS POWER IN EARLY AMERICA

1.What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?

According to the reading “By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens.” It reminds me of the concept of faction as a social class.

2.According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”

According to Federalist #10, the source of wealth owes to people’s abilities, that is who obtain wealth by having a talent for getting rich. I don’t think the lower and working class don’t have a talent to get rich, but they lack opportunity. In other words, the government prefers to protect the wealthy and ignore the minority people. James Madison also knew the conflict because people who own property and those without property have formed very different interests in society.

3.Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?

I agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty. The wealthiest people had a strong influence on politics and the economy at that time and even today’s. But the government can’t always please the upper class to ensure their satisfaction by protecting their interests and power, the minority groups, the ordinary people and working class also need equal opportunity for their lives.  

4.What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.

The core mission (“first object”) of the US government is to defend the plutocrats’ property and their power. It surprised me at first, but later I understood why after reading the materials and the history of the American government. Seemingly, it doesn’t sound the same from our society today, because today’s society advocates democracy and all humans have equal rights, however, people who are wealthy have absolutely an impact on politics, they have the power to control the source of society. 

5. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…

I am not surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government. The author dislikes a (pure) democratic form of government, because democracy means equality, human rights, and people equally have the opportunity to share the social resource to get property, which is threatened to the upper class and the plutocrats. They need a government like Republican to defend their status and property, and the government needs the plutocrats’ support, because wealthy people, such as the big landowners, merchants, and bankers exercised a strong influence over politics.  

Yasmina N.S DB 6.2

  1. What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?

Jams Madison state in the federation10, “ By a faction, I understand a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adversed to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community” faction is group of people who gather to protect and extend their perspectives and interest and they oppose the rights and interest of whether other groups in the society or the community. It reminds me of the social class.  

2. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)?

According to federalist 10 the source of wealth is the diversity in the faculties of men whish refers to the organism from where the rights of properties derive which is considered a source of wealth and power for the owners. James Madison states, “The diversity in the faculties of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not less an insuperable obstacle to a uniformity of interests. The protection of these faculties is the first object of government.” (Federalist 10).it is understandable from this statement that the government strive in defending and protection properties resulting them to remain the wealthiest people.  

3. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?

I do believe in this explanation of poverty and wealth because wealthiest people gain a position of powerful and thus having the influence differently on the markets, government which lead to the unequal distribution of properties that prevents poor people from focusing on everything but competing to own properties.

4. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.

The first mission of the US government is to defend, protect and promote rich and wealthy people. This does not surprise me since the wealth is source of powerful and thus it is mostly to be the influencer on the society. it is seemingly not match different from society today because wealthy people remain in a position of controlling the society and thus the different classes sustain emerged. Since we steal living in a society where the dependent relationship between working class and capitalist remains imposing itself. This situation become as a basic need of the society.     

5. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…

Democracy on its propre means is a governmental apparatus that is distinguished from the people to the people, and it is a system that promote equality. In fact, private proprieties will be exposed to be disturbed for all people equally which means democracy threaten the safety of private proprieties leading the author to dislike a pure democracy and support the republic since that later support and protect wealthy people and call for the freedom. So , I am not surprised by the author’s position.           

Jennifer Louis -Faction

1.As stated in reading 6.3, faction is “a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.”  Which means a group of people in the same organization that has different thoughts and focuses than other members in the group. Faction reminds me of social class.

2.According to the Federalist, the source of wealth is human power where James Maddison believed that having the ability and intelligence can bring more wealth.

3.I completely agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty. It differentiates how the rich have overpowered the poor and how the system maintains the poverty as well as working-class people to keep the rich wealthy.

4.The core mission of the first object of the US government is to provide protection for the wealthy class and making sure to maintain the working class in a poverty level.I am not surprised that federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy and supports a republican form of government because republicans want to create a system that favors themselves whereas democrats demand equal opportunity for working and lower class

Discussion 6.2

  1. Class identity creates factions. On the one hand, there is the one faction, the Owning Class, and on the other, The Working Class. Both coalesce around the common interest of their composite parts, and seek to achieve their goals. 

2. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”

According the Federalist #10, the source of wealth owes to the individuals “faculties,” that is, their innate ability to create and accumulate wealth. Madison understands that this creates conflict, as those without such faculties have very different interests than those with. For this reason, it was necessary for the government to establish rules to protect these interests.

Like a lot of the “founding fathers,” Madison felt that most people were not intellectually or temperamentally capable of participating directly in public affairs. To them, the best solution for all involved was to allow indirect participation. This protected the assets of the owning class, while also allowing them to believe they were protecting the second class from itself. 

3. I do not agree that the ability to generate wealth is some trait passed to us by God, but I do believe the “system,” such as it is, was developed to protect and assist in the accumulation of wealth for the owning class. Their genius was how well they weaved it all into the shape of the system.

  1. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.

The core mission of the US Government is to protect the ability of the dominant owning class to generate wealth. Maybe I’m naive, but I suspect most people understand this at some level. It’s maybe a leading question, but if you asked someone “is it the job of the Government to ensure the ability of businesses to be successful,” I’m certain they would agree. It’s a loaded sentence, sure, because that ability can mean a lot of different things, but broadly I think people understand the government is there to protect business. Maybe they would say “protect the country,” by which they mean from direct physical attack, but I don’t think that’s all that unsurprising or wrong of a response either. 

  1. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would d the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…

I’m not surprised that Madison was not in favor of direct democracy. He himself acknowledges the threat to order posed by factions, and believed that it would take the reasoned, paternal benevolence to properly run the country, and represent the interests of other property owning people. A pure democracy would, in theory any way, pose a threat to the elites. If people voted directly, they would be in greater control of the levers of power. But as the vote is indirect, those in power are better able to look out for their own interests.

DB 6.2

1. What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?

A small group in politics, like wealth class to working class.

2. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”

The source of wealth is one’s abilities, their intelligent and inherited property, people can use the knowledge and wealth from their ancestors to create more wealth for the next generation and poor people remain poor.

3. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?

Yes, because society didn’t change much, but at the same time.

4. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.

The core mission is to preserve the interest of the wealth class. I’m not surprised at all, since this society is dependent, we need wealth class as they need the lower class. On the other hand, the wealth class are usually famous people, the government needs them to go in front of other countries.

5. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would d the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…

I’m not surprised that they don’t support democracy, and support Republican. Since they want to preserve the benefits of wealth class, democracy surely wants the wealthy class to give out their benefits for balance. The author dislike a pure democratic form of government, because he think the safety of personal property won’t be provided.