Discussion 6.1- Crowley

  1. The Constitution was written by the Property Holders (white, land owning men, crucially those whose assets were great enough for them to live off) of the time. Not included were the Disenfranchised (nearly all other classes of people, such as slaves, women, Native Americans, and white men who did not own property, among others.) The major difference between the two was that the first class was in a position to exercise power and develop the federal government, and the other was not. It was in the interest of the first group to secure the necessary protections for their financial prospects. This runs counter to the interests of the second. The constitution saddled this second class with debt, and an apparatus capable of preventing any recourse against the power of the elite. 

The property holders understood that the federal government, however onerous, would be a good bulwark against any threat to their wealth. By establishing a system where only they could participate, they were able to create for themselves a system where they truly did lord above everyone else. 

2.Would say that the social class structure of early United States society, was the same as ours today, or different? Explain.

It’s interesting to consider how similar or dissimilar our class structure is today as compared to the late 18th century. Reading 6.1 specifies that in order to participate in politics, one had not only to own land, but have sufficient enough available cash to live freely on. At the outset we already can see a distinction between debt owning property owners (which would likely be considered some tier of middle class now) and those with considerable wealth. This very much continues today. 

There are probably ways in which it’s dissimilar as well, but I’m not sure how much of that is language, or just development. Certainly there’s a sense that mobility between classes is more of a possibility than the framers had imagined, and I can’t help but think that has altered the situation slightly. But it’s also true that this mobility is still within the system, so to the extent to which that’s real change, I don’t know. 

3. The men who wrote the constitution were afraid of direct democracy because they understood the interests they were seeking to protect were markedly different from those of the governed. They were at opposite ends of class, and they knew that without writing in specific protections against the will of the people, they would risk their ability to generate wealth to insurrection. 

Discussion 6.1

The diagram of M-C-M elaborates on the way capitalists maintain and grow their wealth. Mia currency, C is commodity, and M’ is greater than M. To extend the longevity of someone’s wealth and to grow it for the future, Capitalists understood that they have to invest their capitals as well as purchase commodities to sell. Is capitals include purchasing property, machinery, Ron materials, equipment, and labor force in order to produce more commodities to stay wealthy and extend one’s well for the future.

Nuzhat Fatima- DB 6.1

1- The constitution, according to certain readings, was created to “defend the rich against the poor,” indicating that it was designed to “defend the wealthy against the poor.” Because they lacked property, the poorer classes were not qualified or able to participate in the constitution. Because of the class they represented, Native American tribes, African Americans, women, and others were unable to participate in creating the constitution. Because they lacked material things, these individuals were considered unimportant.

2- The social structure of the early United States differs substantially from that of today. Laws are written to benefit the public largely, and everyone who identifies as a citizen and is of voting age is eligible to vote. Casting a vote is no longer a privilege reserved for the affluent, and laws are mostly formed via a government nominated mostly by the normal community.

3- Those who drafted the constitution dreaded democracy because it would usher in change. They dreaded a takeover by the working class. They don’t want to lose their authority. They are afraid to disclose these advantages to the public.

DB 6.1

  1. Capitalist class wrote the US Constitution. The middle working class were excluded in the process, people who did not own any land or were in debt, women, African Americans, and Native Americans.
  2. To me I think its 50/50 somethings have changed and some haven’t. Wealthy people still have power, still getting things done their way but I think that the working class have a chances to advance with hard work to become part of the wealthy class.
  3. They feared that the working class would rise up against them as they knew. The majority of the population is made up of working class people and they wanted them to stay that way. They also wanted to keep their power to totally control the lower and working classes.

Chanel S – D.B 6.1

  1. Based on the arguments presented in Readings 6.1 and 6.2, which social class wrote the Constitution, and which class was excluded and not allowed to participate in this process? In your comment, make sure you clearly specify the difference between the two classes by giving examples from the readings.

According to the readings, the social class that wrote the constitution would be considered the upper class thus the insinuation creating “defense of the rich against the poor”. The lower class was not eligible nor able to contribute anything towards the constitution because they weren’t property owners. People such as Native Americans, black people, women, and others were not able to be a part of the making of the constitution because of the class they were represented in. These particular groups of people were considered irrelevant because they didn’t necessarily own  property. 

2. Would say that the social class structure of early United States society was the same as ours today, or different? Explain.

I would say the social class structure that existed previously in United States society is still relevant currently, although it has progressed over the time. There is still “class status” intentionally distinguishing the poor from the rich. I consider that to be label discrimination since the upper class benefits from their overall wealth, which controls many aspects of society financially, politically due to their “wealthy power”. Initially centuries ago, individuals were conditioned to a certain lifestyle based on what class they were born into, so generational wealth was only promised to very few from the very beginning. Reasons why I say individuals were conditioned into the lifestyle we currently endure today because of its traditional structure. We have seen changes but thats comes with time, everything evolves someway, somehow, but the attempt to set up generational wealth was to promote “white privilege”. I say that hence statistically white men make more than both black and white women, so although we may see situated people of color, we must understand the everlasting cycle of those who were always positioned “higher” due to aspects that were necessary to maintain their ignorance over wealth, will always be set in stone to prevail because of the fortunes they can fall back on. 

3. Why were the people who wrote the Constitution so afraid of democracy? Hint: think about how to answer this question by discussing it in terms of social classes

The framers feared the aftermath, along with knowing their wealth would have been in jeopardy against democracy. To protect and maintain their wealth, the constitution was created to balance between the states and the government, organizing the disparities among american society. Including, separating lower classes from having any control of the upper class’s wealth. Ensuring the people wouldn’t have control, as much as they ensured the government didn’t have full control either. 

Adams Rakmel (Discussion Board 6.1)

  1. In 1787, the upper classes of the United States convened in Philadelphia and drafted the constitution. Those who own property and controlled almost all trades in the five colonial cities. Activities such as commerce, shipping, banking, mining, and manufacturing on the eastern seaboard. These were merchants, bankers, and landowners: this group of individuals and powerful capitalists who owned many wealth (property). The poor (lower class) people played zero roles in writing the constitution because their opinions didn’t even matter. Native Americans, black people, women, people of white skin who didn’t have sufficient property, and indentured servants were excluded from participating in the decision-making process of drafting the constitution. If you fall into the lower class, you have no power and, for that matter, cannot make decisions that will affect or impact the nation.

2. The social class that existed in 1700 is still the same as today. Some of the affluent families have transferred wealth to their generations. In today’s America, it is the wealthy capitalist who determines how wealth is distributed. Working-class Americans are excluded and brushed to the side. Just as poor people in America had to labor to survive, it is even worse today. Today, wealthy families almost pay low wages to those from the working class while enjoying and ripe profits on their labor. For example, John D Rockefeller and the Rothschild family still own and control the banks and commerce.

3. They believed that through democracy, the middle class, middle-upper class, and the lower class would benefit as it would allow the propertyless to participate in decision-making. Democracy was a threat to their wealth. But these constitution writers wanted absolute power and protection so those from the lower classes couldn’t interfere in their affairs. They didn’t care about the masses; the wealthy people tried to enrich themselves and keep the working class always laboring to profit from their selfish interests.

Maria Kaye- Democracy and Social Class

  1. The writers of the constitution was done by the “established social order”, the ones that had money and land, upper class. The working class and lower class were excluded from the constitution. The ones involved in the writing were white males who had enough land to be seen as elite, and capable of making the right decision and not being “tempted” as the poor. Although white males were in the group that did the writing, not all white males had a role in it, if they didn’t own X amount of land in their state they were not able to contribute. The ones excluded were in debt, this set them apart from the established social order, along with women, white males who didn’t own the right about of land, servants and slaves. It was also mentioned the thought of those not contributing to become greedy or have a sense of ambition if they did not come from wealth already.
  2. I think it depends, as of today, voting is open to all American citizens, which allows them to have their voice be heard as the mass majority of the country. Yet, not everything applies to protect all classes. The wealthy still benefit the most. The big difference today is, most of the population doesn’t own any land, which would mean they couldn’t vote, this also goes for all the groups that were excluded. In todays agenda all are welcomed to vote. There are still the different class brackets.
  3. They were afraid of the threat it could impose to their structure that was already created. The safety of their wealth would be in danger if democracy was implemented. Many changes would come due to democracy and their established social order would be no more.

Linda Li – Democracy and Social Class

1.Based on the arguments presented in Readings 6.1 and 6.2, which social class wrote the Constitution, and which class was excluded and not allowed to participate in this process? In your comment, make sure you clearly specify the difference between the two classes by giving examples from the readings.

The wealthy and powerful “gentlemen” wrote the Constitution, but excluded the poor or working class, such as all Native Americans (“Indians”), black people, women, indentured servants, and even white males who didn’t own sufficient property were not allowed to participate in this process. The irony is that early American society was described as egalitarian, however, the plutocrats realized that a powerful national government would be the best guarantee for property interests. Therefore, they immediately abandoned equal nationalism.

2.Would you say that the social class structure of early United States society was the same as ours today, or different? Explain.

In my point of view, the social class structure of early United States society was the same as ours today, such as even today wealth is still held by the upper class and  the plutocrats, income inequality, and some curtain minority group people are excluded from mainstream society. But today’s society has made great progress on voting rights. Government encourages the public to vote, so that their voice will be heard, which has a positive impact on social democracy. 

3. Why were the people who wrote the Constitution so afraid of democracy? Hint: think about how to answer this question by discussing it in terms of social classes.

The wealthy or powerful gentleman who wrote the Constitution is so afraid of democracy because they think the most horrible thing is the people’s rebellious spirit, especially the poor and working class. They needed a constitution to threaten the people, but didn’t want the certain people to participate in their capabilities. In other words, the capitalist just wanted to keep their power to totally control the lower and working classes, and the wealthy didn’t want democracy to share their property with lower and working classes even just a little. 

Jennifer Louis – Discussion 6.1

1.Reading 6.1 stated that“ Early american society has been described as egalitarian” which means we should all be equal. However,  It’s a false narrative. Within a diverse society only  white male with property ownership were allowed to vote which indicates that the constitution was written by the ownership of wealths “capitalist class”. The Rich  were in charge of making decisions for the poor. The powerless individuals,women, Native Americans, African descent and indentured servants could not defend their needs, they were unable to vote.

2.In my opinion, the social class structure of early United States society has changed with relative similarities. The capitalist has power against the working class but we have the power to choose by voting. The diversity is tolerable among society and levels of education are evolving among communities to help make better decisions. Various minorities are able to make a  fair living. In general, individuals are able to make primary choices. 

3.The people who wrote the constitution were so afraid of democracy because of changes. They feared the working class taking over. They are frightened of being powerless. They are afraid of sharing the same  rights.

Yasmina N.S DB 6.1

  1. Based on the arguments presented in Readings 6.1 and 6.2, which social class wrote the Constitution, and which class was excluded and not allowed to participate in this process? In your comment, make sure you clearly specify the difference between the two classes by giving examples from the readings.

The American constitution had been written under specific circumstances of that time including social class disparities and an extreme oppression. According to the reading materials the upper and middle class aggregated in close reunion in Philadelphia to participating in writing the constitution as it mentioned in the reading 6.1, “The delegates spent many weeks debating and defending their interests, but these were the differences of merchants, slaveholders, and manufacturers, a debate of haves versus haves” (4). Clearly, all owners are debating and defending their properties seeking the new government to provide more protection for it. While the rest of people in society were deprived from the participation as it states in the article 6.1, “On these issues, there were no poor farmers, artisans, indentured servants, or slaves attending the convention to proffer an opposing viewpoint” (5). Probably those people are deprived from the reunion because they were the marginalized class in the society, and they do not own properties to defending. Regarding the working class the article states, “Ordinary working people could not take off four months to go to Philadelphia and write a constitution.” (5). They were unable to work by the virtue of they could not stop working four long times (4 month) to writing a constitution.

2. Would say that the social class structure of early United States society, was the same as ours today, or different? Explain.

 In my opinion the social class structure of early United State society, was the same as nowadays society in terms of having reach or owner class controlling the society and I believe that the more people have money and wealth the more they have advantages to being better place since poor people or lower class are barely gaining the needs of their living. In fact, they have less advantages (it is not impossible, it is a question of interest and motivation). However, in terms of having rights is somehow different since now people are having more freedom to running for office or participating in vote exerting their legacy.

3. Why were the people who wrote the Constitution so afraid of democracy? Hint: think about how to answer this question by discussing it in terms of social classes.

The main reason of the fear of who wrote the constitution of democracy is that it threaten the safety of their properties since democracy system is popular and its rules are made by the majority of people as it mentions in the reading 6.1, “The framers were of the opinion that democracy (rule by the common people) was “the worst of all political evils” as Elbridge Gerry put it.”(4). Under democracy it is possible for owner class to encounter problems that could lead them to lose their wealth and thus their social class.