Discussion Board 4.2

1. Reading 4.3 explains that the main difference between owners and employees is how they make their money. Owners can make money from businesses, property, or investments they own. Employees depend mostly on wages or salaries from working. For example, a restaurant owner can make money from owning the business, while a cashier or server gets paid for the work they do.

2. I understand Adam Smith’s quote as saying that labor is what gives value to things. For example, a tree by itself is not furniture. Workers have to cut the wood, make the furniture, transport it, and sell it. All of that work helps create the final value of the product. This shows me how important labor is in the economy. 

3. I think the argument that class is not just an identity makes sense. Reading 4.4 explains that class is also about a person’s position in society and how they make a living. A worker has to sell their labor to make money, while a capitalist owns property or businesses that can produce income. Two workers can have different incomes or education but still be workers because they both depend on working to make a living. 

4. I understand “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” to mean that workers and capitalists depend on each other. Workers depend on employers for jobs and income, but employers also depend on workers to do the work that allows the business to make money. For example, a restaurant employee needs their job to receive a paycheck, but the owner also needs employees to cook, serve customers, and keep the restaurant working. This shows that both groups depend on each other, even though they have different interests

Shuqi Yu — Capital and Labor

1. The distinction between owners and employees

The owner earns money for the company primarily through other’s labor, as well as through investments and profits. The employee works for companies, earning wages as payment for their labor. For instance, in a restaurant, the boss is the owner that don’t need to do any labor while the chef, the waiter and the cashier are employees who require effort to earn a salary.

2. Understanding of the quote by Adam Smith

In my opinion, the quote means the true value of an item lies in the amount of labor that went into its creation, while its price is merely its outward manifestation. A product becomes valuable because people spend time, effort, and skills to make it so that it has its nominal price. Therefore, labor is the foundation of production and wealth.

3.Thoughts about class is not an identity

In my view, class is not just an identity because it is more than a label about who we are. It describes our position in the economic system and our relationship with other people. For example, workers depend on jobs to earn money, while capitalists own business and depend on workers to make profits. Therefore, class is mainly about powers and economic relationships, not just personal identity.

4. Understanding of the argument

I think “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” means capitalists and workers depend on each other, but they do not have equal power. Workers depend on capitalists for jobs and wages because they need income to support their lives. In the meanwhile, capitalists depend on workers because workers produce goods and services that create profits. For example, workers in a factory need their jobs to earn money, while the factory owner also needs the workers to keep production going. If the workers organize and go on strike, they can stop production and put pressure on the owner. Therefore, this dependency is unequal, but it also gives workers collective power when they work together.

Discussion Board 4.2 By Tanjin

  1. Reading 4.3 says owners are people who make money mainly from what they own like property not from working. Employees are people who make money by actually working like getting paid a salary. Example of an owner: someone who owns a company and lives off the profits. Example of an employee: a nurse or PCT like me who gets paid for the hours I work.
  2. I think Smith is saying that labor is what really gives things value, not money. Money is just a number we use to represent that value. So something like a chair or a piece of paper is only worth something because of the work people put into making it.
  3. I think the argument makes sense. Class isn’t just about how we see ourself, like race or gender it’s about our actual position in the economy. Are you the one who owns the business and profits off others, or are you the one who has to work for someone else to survive. That decides a lot about your life, not just how you identify. I do think class can feel personal too, like being proud to say I’m working class, but I get why the author says it’s way more than just an identity.
  4. This means workers and owners need each other directly. A worker needs a specific boss or company to get paid, and the boss needs workers to actually do the labor that makes them money. It’s a two way need, unlike race, where your race doesn’t depend on a specific other person. Example: In my job as a PCT, my job depends on the facility hiring me, but the facility also depends on PCTs like me to actually take care of patients. Neither side can really work without the other.

Yectlanesi Irigoyen Cadena-Discussion Board 4.2

  1. The distinction between owners and employees lies in how they earn their living. Owners generate income through property ownership, capital investments, and the labor of others. Employees, on the other hand, do not own productive property and must work for a wage or salary based on the hours they put in to meet their basic needs. For example, an owner lives off the company’s profits, while an employee earns a salary for their labor. A clearer example is the Coca-Cola Company: the corporation generates revenue from hundreds of owned properties and brands, whereas the delivery driver who ships their products works for an hourly wage.
  2. I understand Adam Smith’s quote to mean that all real wealth was originally purchased with labor, not with gold or silver. Labor is the true source of economic value because, without it, capital has no function. For instance, a big company’s facilities and assets are useless on their own; without people working to make it run, it is just an empty physical space.
  3. I agree with Reading 4.4’s argument that class is not an identity because class is a structural relationship based on ownership, whereas identity is tied to traits like culture, gender, or ethnicity that describe where you belong socially. The class relationship is fundamentally one of exploitation, where capital owners extract surplus value from those who labor. When we reduce class to just another identity or lifestyle label, we overlook the systemic power dynamics and economic control at play in society.
  4. I understand the argument Reading 4.4 makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” as a relationship of direct structural interdependence between a worker and a capitalist. The worker depends on the capitalist for employment and a wage to survive, as well as essential benefits like health insurance, retirement plans, and a safe work environment. Meanwhile, the capitalist depends on exploiting the worker’s labor to generate strong profits and keep the business running.

Discussion 4.2

  1. What is the distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees? Give an example of each.

Reading 4.3 makes it clear that “the owning class live mostly off investments, which include stocks, bonds, rents, mineral royalties, and other property income” while employees make their money through “mostly off wages, salaries, and fees”

Ex:Elon Musk

Ex:Tesla factory workers 

  1. How do you understand the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28? What is it saying about labor?

 I think the quote is trying to say that a product only becomes valuable because of the labor that goes behind it. It is saying labor is the most important part.

  1. What are your thoughts on the main argument of Reading 4.4 that class is NOT an identity? 

I  agree that class is not an identity, i think like the reading discusses a registered nurse and a tomato picker can both be in the same class but have two different lifestyles and backgrounds 

  1. How do you understand the argument Reading 4.4. makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”? What is this close form of dependency, and can you think of an example?

This means that both workers and owners depend on each other for profit.

A factory employee depends on the factory to earn income and the employer depends on the factory workers to produce products. Without the factory employee the employer would have nothing to distribute to customers. 

Annette O’Brien – Diacussion 4.2

1. What is the distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees?

In the reading provided, the difference between owners and employees, is described as “…so many squirrels dancing among the elephants.” The imagery paints a cruel picture, and hyperbolizes an extreme gap between the two. The rich, make their wealth off of stocks, bonds, rents, and owning things. Whereas, the employees make their money off of salaries. What separates the two is both the range and size of the wealth they are offered. Owners are privy to a much more vast set of methods of making money. The money they make is larger then the money workers make. And it often comes from the labor of the workers. The difference is that workers labor for gain, whilst owners have others work for them. An example of this, could be seen in a restaurant. The kitchen is worked, by an assortment of workers: chefs, cooking assistants, prep, dishwashers. The floor is ran by hosts and hostesses. And day in and day out, the ensemble cast gruel to keep the restaurant running. From top-to-bottom, knowing the workings of the establishment, in and out. With each gaining their yearly median wage salary. Whereas, the owner of the business, has their face plastered upon the front of the restaurant. They gain the recognition and notoriety associated with the business’ success. Earning top dollar. For work, the owner might not exactly know how to do. Getting their cash from investments and the success of their staff.

2. How do you understand the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28? What is it saying about labor?

My understanding of Adam Smith’s quote on pg. 28, is that the labor behind a product or service, is what determines the products true weight. I believe that what he was recognizing outside of the nominal price of an object, was the physical price it would take to make the product in the first place. To me, it says that the most important thing about a service, is the effort behind it. And I believe that creating that separation, creates the incentive to reward that effort accordingly. The writer later compared this, to the transformation of a tree becoming paper. And I believe that the salary behind a service, shouldn’t be based around the nominal price of the materials used, but based around the actual amount of effort, used to create the service being purchased.

3. What are your thoughts on the main argument of Reading 4.4 that class is NOT an identity?

From what I’ve read in the document, I agree with the idea, that class is not an identity. From how the idea is presented, it’s presented upfront that class isn’t an identity, but a set of interests. In the world of capitalism, a worker is a worker. The only difference between a surgeon’s assistant, a teacher, and a garbage man, is the amount of money they actually make. But their concerns, still remain the same. “How can I improve my working conditions”. Because, in the nature of capitalism, it’s not higher paid worker versus lower paid worker. It’s worker versus owner. Because the nature of these two positions, fundamentally combat each other. What is good for an employer, isn’t good for an employee, and vice versa. So, while class can certainly play a minor role in someone’s identity. It wouldn’t be considered a marker of a persons identity, because outside of salary, every single worker across the board, is fighting for the same thing.

4. How do you understand the argument Reading 4.4 makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency?” What is the close form of dependency, and can you think of an example?

The concept of a “worker” gains concept by the concept of a “capitalist”. A worker isn’t a worker, without a firm or workplace to clock into, labor to produce, and a salary to earn. And a owner isn’t an owner without a staff of people working underneath them, generating them money. It’s the existence of both sides, and their conflict over power, that ironically creates both of these, as concepts. Without a worker, an owner doesn’t exist, because there’s no one generating them money. And without an owner, a worker doesn’t actually have anywhere to work. In the restaurant example I was talking about, if the staff and crew stopped existing, the restaurant wouldn’t have even left the planning phse. The owner doesn’t know how to do each workers job. And even f they did, they couldn’t do it at the same rate or efficiency that their staff does it. And if, the owner stopped existing, the workers wouldn’t have anywhere to work, or have a single salary to earn. But, with both sides present, the struggle they have against each other, the workers fighting for more rights and doing their work, and the owners keeping up the restaurant and trying to find a way to short staff, creates what we identify as the capitalist and worker “social class”, that we identify them as.

DISCUSSION 4.2

Owners and Employees Distinction: According to Reading 4.3, owners are the people who own society’s wealth (like stocks, bonds, and property) and live off their investments. Employees are people who have to work to make a living, which includes everyone from factory workers to managers and professionals. For example, a major corporate stockholder who lives off investments is an owner, while a retail worker or a salaried corporate lawyer is an employee.

Adam Smith and Labor: The quote on page 28 points out that labor is what actually creates value and produces goods. It means that capital on its own can’t make anything without human labor, making labor the most important and foundational part of the economy.

Class is NOT an Identity: Reading 4.4 argues that treating class just like any other cultural identity or lifestyle hides how economic power and exploitation actually work. The problem with viewing class this way is that it leads to weak strategies like corporate diversity training instead of tackling the actual economic inequalities.

Close Form of Dependency: The reading means that workers and capitalists are locked in a mutual but very unequal relationship: workers need jobs to survive, but capitalists completely depend on workers’ labor to make any profits. A great example of this is a labor strike, where workers use that exact dependency to disrupt business and force bosses to listen to their demands.

Discussion Board 4.2

  1. What is the distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees? Give an example of each.
  2. How do you understand the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28? What is it saying about labor?
  3. What are your thoughts on the main argument of Reading 4.4 that class is NOT an identity?
  4. How do you understand the argument Reading 4.4. makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”? What is this close form of dependency, and can you think of an example?