Belinda Hinckley-Discussion Board 6.2

  1. What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of? 

In James Maddison’s Federalist Paper #10, it states that “AMONG the numerous advantages promised by a well-constructed Union, none deserves to be more accurately developed than its tendency to break and control the violence of faction” (Maddison). Madison describes the term faction to signify a group of people in disagreement. These arguments were presumably not for the rights or wellbeing of the community but for those who held similar views. Each faction symbolizes different ideas that generally result in debate. This term is similar to what we would call a political party, therefore this is comparable to the lesson we had on ideology. Resembling factions, an ideology is a collection of beliefs and opinions of an individual or group of people that influences the world they live in. Ideology is also used to define the common interests and goals of a particular political party, as well as philosophies followed by a particular cultural group or religious background.  

  1. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….” 

According to Federalist #10, the source of wealth through property ownership was due to “superior intelligence.” Naturally, intelligent people were able to gain their wealth through owning land, having a lucrative business, or anything that creates wealth due to the “faculties of men.” The faculties of men according to Madison is our capability to be intelligent human beings due to genetics or being born within a presumed “superior race.” In short there is a classist and discriminatory view on intelligence. The writers of Federalist #10 believed that those lucky to be born into a particular class of people were intelligent enough to figure out how to obtain wealth from the land they were provided with. Essentially there is a key difference between the intellectual ability of white people and black people, as well as poor white people and wealthy white people. People are poor because they were born that way and are intellectually inferior due to their genetics, or race. It is not within their nature to use their faculties to become rich. This gives the impression that the Founding Fathers are justifying slavery. This is because they found a way to use their property (slaves) to make money and thus thought of themselves as a more intelligent, talented, and superior human than the people they captured and turned into slaves.  

  1. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty? 

I do not agree with the explanation given by James Madison about wealth and poverty. A person’s level of intelligence has nothing to do with their genetics, race, or social class. There is no “superior race” who is more likely to obtain wealth. If intelligence is defined as the capability to apply knowledge, skill, and talent, then someone with a superior intellect can help them accumulate wealth. However, there are many people who are in the working class, who are educated and worked hard, only to find that their pay is average or even below average. Additionally, being smart does not protect someone from experiencing financial difficulties.  

Nevertheless, these racial disparities presented in Madison’s Federalist #10 still exist today because we live in a fundamentally racist society. Poor black and Latino people who possess intelligence are less likely to find success than white people who are poor and intelligent. People of color consistently experience discrimination in the housing market. Although several prejudiced and discriminatory laws were abolished by the end of the civil rights movement, they were soon replaced with more subtle methods. One example is that real estate agents deny black people the opportunity to purchase houses in affluent areas. Living in these locations would offer their children better education and more opportunities to expand their knowledge. Often real estate agents decline to show properties to black customers who happen to be more qualified than their white counterparts. They possess higher incomes and have more impressive credit scores, or more money in savings. Additionally, when black people are placed in subpar neighborhoods it gives them insufficient banking options which can lead to financial illiteracy. Most people start businesses by using home equity, and therefore, black businesses have less of a chance to take off due to their lack of homeownership and general wealth. In summary, racial biases are depriving black people of the opportunities to grow their wealth, limiting them from achieving their full potentials. James Maddison’s general idea of wealth and poverty still exists in the fibers of American society where black people are considered a minority faction.  

  1. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain. 

In Federalist #10, James Maddison affirms that “the protection of these faculties is the first object of government” (Maddison, Federalist #10). What I believe he means by this statement is that the first initial function of the government is to protect the wealth of the wealthy people in the United States, along with separating the intelligent from the less intelligent people. In essence, the first objective of the government is recognizing the fundamental differences between the social classes because those help indicate who is intelligent and who is not. This is another racist mission in Federalist #10 because it is about who is more or less skilled, talented, capable, and intelligent within society. This predominantly is the reason behind colonization and slavery because it was believed that people are naturally and intellectually unequal by birth. For example, when Maddison says “from the protection of the different and equal faculties” he means that this unequal society is acceptable because it is the natural way of things and is supposed to be protected.  

This is not surprising to me because even today society protects the wealthy, especially when it comes to the supreme court. Today, people with access to justice are the people who can pay their way to it. Those who are poor are treated worse than people who have great wealth, and people who do not have the finances remain in jail for months before their trial because they are not able to afford bail. A wealthy person can pay for their freedom, can even maintain their career, and prepare at home for their trial. Those who cannot afford to pay off their debt from court will likely have their licenses revoked, which causes a pattern of unemployment, homelessness, and other financial difficulties. The poor who have their licenses suspended are even more inconvenienced by not being able to take care of their children, look after their health by going to the doctor, are unable to go food shopping, or cannot commute to work. Without a driver’s license people are forced to pay for expensive forms of transpiration to take care of their basic needs. It is clear that the government, while protecting the rich, is keeping people stuck in a never-ending cycle of poverty. We have two separate justice systems, the one that safeguards the rich, and another one for those who are not so lucky.  

  1. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes… 

I am not surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and rather supports a republican form of government. This is because a pure democracy is when the power is held by the people rather than through government representatives. Whereas a republican system of government is when the state is ruled by representatives of the state population. The United States can be defined as a republic simply due to the way we carry out elections. Each state is awarded a specific amount of votes due to the number of senators and representatives it has, two votes for the senators in the state, along with votes equivalent to those in its congressional districts. Not only does the electoral college chose the president, but the sitting president selects the Supreme Court Justices, and previously the senators were elected by their respective state legislatures. Therefore, this concludes that the United States is based more on a Republican government with state representatives than a pure democracy governed by the people.  

James Maddison would dislike a pure democracy because they did not want the poor man’s opinion to affect the laws that they implemented. He was a property-owning wealthy class citizen and felt that only the white, intelligent property-owning class were capable of making the proper decisions. They believed that if the poor unintelligent class had too much power, they would make decisions that were detrimental to the country. Most of the voting laws came with many restrictions that often required the voters to have a specific amount of property. Maddison and the other Founding Fathers believed that if someone were to vote on a particular matter that affected others’ wealth and property, they should also have a substantial amount of land to understand what it was like. It appears as if they were concerned for the safety and interest of the wealthy, wanted their fellow landowners to stay in control, and remain the superior race and class that dictated over everyone else. 

Destiny Balbi

  1. What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?

Faction reminds me of the House Of Representatives because a political faction is a collection of people who support the same political cause but differ from the majority of the group in some ways. Parties within a party are fragmented minor parties that can exist within a larger group or political party.

  1. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”

James Madison argued that possessing real estate is a sign of affluence. The founding fathers believed that those who did not own land had their own interests and viewpoints, which helps to explain why some individuals are able to own riches while others are not. They contend that those who already control wealth do not share their interests or viewpoints. As a result, the wealthy do not think that those from lower social classes are capable of making choices that are in their own best interests.

  1. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?

In today’s world, those who own significant property, like a corporation or a firm, can ensure their wealth remains, so I agree with Madison’s interpretation of wealth and poverty. Because they hire people of lower class to work for them for wages that do not reflect the amount of work they do, many of their enterprises continue to grow. They are unable to really locate a simple way to acquire their own home because these individuals are still working to assure their accomplishment.

  1. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.

According to Madison in Federalist #10, “The fundamental goal of the government is the protection of these talents.”  In fact, the government’s first goal is to understand the basic disparities between the social classes since they help distinguish between people who are bright and those who are not. This doesn’t surprise me because the wealthy are still protected in society today, particularly when it comes to the highest court, why? Because they are the wealthy and only individuals who can afford to access justice today are those who have access to it. People who are impoverished are treated worse than those who are extremely wealthy, and those who lack the means to post bail spend months in jail before their case is heard. A wealthy individual may afford their release, keep their job, and get ready for court at home while a poor person wouldn’t have the same resources.

5.Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…

Given the current political climate, it is not surprising to me that federalist #10 opposes democracy. Because he is from the upper class, the author James Madison is opposed to democracy. Consequently, a democratic system of governance would not be advantageous to his business ambitions. True democracy terrified the founding fathers so if the people banded together, it would imply that they would not be able to hold as much power. They favored a republican representative far more.

Karina Huerta

  1. What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?

The definition of faction according to the reading is “a number of citizens, whether amounting to a majority or a minority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.” What this reminds me of would be social class which we have learned before the reason for this is because in society everyone wants to be wealthy and have money or even own some type of property but are we all rich? The answer is no in society there is many different social classes and based on what class youre in is the amount of power you have. Although all classes are aiming for the same thing and interest not all can have and achieve.

2. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….” According to the reading federalist #10 source of wealth is based on what you already know about wealth based on what you own and if you were born into the wealthy family. Someone who wasnt born or is in the wealthy class would have no knowledge or know anything about wealth or being a property owner. The wealthy people are most likely to stay wealthy while the poor people would stay poor and not be able to work their way up. 

3. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?

I don’t agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty by James Madison because he’s basically trying to say that you’re wealthy based on your intelligence, gender or social class and that can be true but not in all cases there can be some working-class people who are smart as well but due to the fact that they have no money they might not get the same amount of opportunities and someone with money which can lead to them staying in that same social class. They can be very smart but have a regular low-paying job which doesn’t help with much other than just to survive and maintain what they have while the wealthy people are already rich and just stay there.

4. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain. The core mission of the US government is to protect wealthy business owners and help them stay on top. The goal is to keep everything the same and not let the poor/non-wealthy interfere with their wealth. The government wants to protect them and their properties. This does not surprise me because even today the wealthy people only get wealthier while the rest stay in the same spot forever. Its harder for someone to get on top but easier for the wealthy people to get wealthier.

5. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would d the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes… No, I am not surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy because they fear that if all people and different classes that are lower fight for equal rights then perhaps it can actually happen and the wealthy people would come out affected. The wealthy people don’t want this to happen and fear it, therefore, I am not surprised that they are in favor of republicans since money, wealth and property is important to them and staying on top with power.

Tristan Flinn 6.2

  1. What does faction remind me of… I would say social classes, class hierarchy, and political groups. 
  2. Faculties are mental or physical abilites thatbelong to people, unique talents, this then is protected by the government. I think Madison is saying it depends on who you are and how you handle business with higher uppers that makes or breaks a successful wealth owner. 
  3. Ill be honest, James Madison has too many words on the page for me to fully understand what he is getting at, but it sounds very logical he basically is saying money comes from working, or from owning property but not everyone has the opportunity to benefit from owning property.  It also depends on what kind of property it is, how you got that property, and what you do with that property. 
  4. To divide its power so all is equal for its citizens. I believe we have forgotten what we were originally trying to make when we tried building this country the first time, now in democratic and republican parties there is corruption, there is also corruption in just about every area that has been given power. The Government does not truly care for us as it once did. We can see this in the poverty rate, how the police handle things, their handling of climate change, school shootings and how we handle them despite many signs their are some messed up children attending schools across america. Thats just off the top of my head.  
  5. I am only sort of surprised, Since weve been studying these documents for years ( you usually study them in highschool depending the class) I think because I am older I have more of an attention to detail. But being republican in this time wasn’t rare, its actually a very popular belief and it isn’t exactly like being a republican today. The author would dislike a democratic party because that would give the lower class a bigger power, in a democratic world you have the citizens make or be part of bigger situations, where as a republican does whats best for everyone. And at this time they would sport this more, wealth owners prefer it(Madison and all the founding fathers) as well as other important members of society at this time.

DB 6.2 – Jordi Rosario

  1. Faction reminds of the concept of the social class hierarchy. The upper, middle and lower class can all be considered as different factions altogether.
  2. According to Federalist #10, the source of wealth is is the distribution of private property itself. Additionally, the factor that determined who got to possess wealth was mainly inheritance and being born into a rich family who were mostly if not only white families. Those who remained poor were of a different race that was not white.
  3. I agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty because it is accurate with the way society holds up today.
  4. The core mission or “first object” of the US government is “As long as the reason of man continues fallible, and he is at liberty to exercise it, different opinions will be formed.” “The Diversity in the faculties of men”. “The protection of these faculties is the first object of government.” as stated by James Madison. This does not surprise me as our society today is the direct offspring of these statements. Today the US government is built upon the foundation of republican principles, those which honor freedom of speech for everyone, not just rich and white males.
  5. I am not surprised that federalist g #10 is not in favor of democracy given the circumstances of the time that is being lived in. The author James Madison dislikes the democratic form of government because he is wealthy and a member of the upper class. Therefore a democratic form of government would not benefit his capitalistic form of endeavors.

Discussion Board 6.2


  1. What concept that we have already discussed does “faction” remind you of?
  2. According to Federalist #10 (written by James Madison), what is the source of wealth (private property)? What factor explains why some people get to possess wealth by owning private property, and others don’t (thus remaining poor)? This is a key question, because it shows how the authors of the Constitution thought about the difference between different classes of Americans! HINT: focus on the passage that begins: “The diversity in the faculties (WHAT DOES FACULTIES mean or refer to?) of men, from which the rights of property originate, is not les….”
  3. Do you agree with this explanation of wealth and poverty?
  4. What is the core mission (“first object”) of the US government? Does this surprise you, does it sound different from what our society today seems to suggest the core mission of the government is? Explain.
  5. Given the discussion in questions 1-4, are you surprised that Federalist #10 is not in favor of democracy, and supports a Republican (representative) form of government? Why would d the author dislike a (pure) democratic form of government? Hint: think about how this question connects with the social classes…