- The reading explains the difference between owners and employees and how they make their money. While owners earn their income from investments meaning they profit from other people’s work. Employees earn wages or salaries, meaning they have to work for someone to get paid.For example An owner could be someone who owns an apartment building and makes money from rent.An employee could be a cashier who earns an hourly wage.
- Adam Smith’s quote is saying that the real value of anything comes from the labor that went into making it, not the price it sells for. For example, a table is valuable because of all the work involved in cutting the wood, assembling it, and selling it. Money just measures that value labor is what creates it.
- I think the argument that class is not an identity actually makes a lot of sense. The reading points out that class isn’t something you “identify as” the way people talk about race, gender, or sexuality. Class primarily pertains to economic standing.
- To me it refers to the structural relationship between workers and capitalists where each class depends on the other, but not in equal ways. For example A hospital nurse and the hospital owner The nurse depends on the employer for a paycheck.If the owner closes the hospital or cuts staff, the nurse loses income and cannot simply “choose” to work elsewhere immediately.The owner, however, also depends on nurses.
Without nurses, the hospital cannot function, and the owner cannot make money from healthcare services.
Discussion Board 4.2
Israt Kaniz Nipa
- Distinction Between Owners and Employees
Reading 4.3 explains that owners and employees have very different positions in the economic system. Owners are the ones who control resources like land, machines, or businesses. They make decisions about production and profit. Employees, on the other hand, work for wages and don’t have control over the business or its profits.
Example of an owner: A factory owner who decides what to produce and how much to charge.
Example of an employee: A factory worker who operates the machines and gets paid by the hour. - Understanding the Adam Smith Quote (pg. 28)
Adam Smith’s idea shows that labor is what makes everything valuable. Without people working to produce goods and services, there would be no wealth or economy at all. Labor is the true foundation of society’s progress and success. - Thoughts on Class Is NOT an Identity (Reading 4.4)
The reading says class is not about personality or appearance — it’s about someone’s position in the economy. It’s not something we are born with like race or gender, but something based on our relationship to work and income. For example, people in the working class might have different lifestyles, but they share similar economic struggles because they depend on their jobs to live. - Understanding Class Structures Built Around Dependency (Reading 4.4)
This means that both workers and owners depend on each other, but not equally. Workers rely on owners for wages, while owners rely on workers to keep their business running. However, owners usually hold more power in this relationship.
Example: In a retail store, employees depend on the manager or owner for their paycheck, while the owner depends on them to serve customers and make sales.
Manuel’s class structures on labor
- It’s primarily based on their relationship to the means of production and their control over economic activity. The owners are the individuals or entities that possess and control the means of production, such as factories, land, capital, and resources. Owners have the power to make decisions about production, distribution, and investment. They also receive the profits generated by these activities. Employees would be who sell their labor to owners in exchange for wages or salaries. Employees do not own or control the means of production and have limited decision making power within the economic system. They rely on the owner for employment and are subject to the conditions set by the owners.
A great example for that would be the owner Jeff Bezos, as the founder and former CEO of Amazon, is an owner. He had significant control over the company’s operations, investment decisions, and distribution of profits. A warehouse worker at an Amazon fulfillment center is an employee. They perform tasks assigned by the company in exchange for wages but do not have ownership or control over Amazon’s operations or profits.
- Smith’s quote is likely about the value and importance of labor in creating wealth, but also potentially about how laborers often don’t get their fair share. It shows that the workers often get ripped off, with owners taking most of the money even though workers do the actual work. It’s about how labor creates wealth, but workers don’t always get what they deserve.
- Generally argues that class isn’t just an identity but primarily a structural relationship to the means of production. He critiques the idea of class as just another identity group, arguing instead for focusing on material conditions and power dynamics. This perspective suggests that political action should aim to change economic structures and redistribute wealth, rather than just focusing on identity.
- The statement “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” means that the capitalist system inherently relies on workers being deeply dependent on employers for their survival. This dependency isn’t superficial, it would be more like a fundamental relationship where workers lack independent means to support themselves and must rely on access to resources controlled by employers. For example, a factory worker does not own the factory or machinery, forcing them to depend on the factory owner for employment and wages. This dynamic gives employers significant power, as they control the terms of employment, perpetuating a class structure where workers livelihoods are tied to employers decisions. This close dependency reinforces the power imbalance inherent in the capitalist system.
Discussion Board 4.2
What is the distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees? Owners earn money from others’ work, like through businesses or investments. They keep the extra value workers create. Employees get wages for their labor but make more value than they’re paid for. This shows owners gain wealth while employees depend on wages.
Give an example of each. Owner: A factory owner who profits from goods workers make, keeping most of the $1.64 trillion in value. Employee: Factory workers who earn just $363 billion in wages for that same value
How do you understand the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28? What is it saying about labor? Adam Smith’s quote on page 28 says labor is the real source of wealth. It claims workers create all value in goods through their work. Owners get rich by taking the extra value workers produce, not from their own effort. This shows labor drives the economy, but workers don’t get the full reward. It highlights how owners benefit from others’ hard work.
How do you understand the argument Reading 4.4. makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”? The argument says class differs from other oppressions like race or gender. Class builds on tight links between groups. One side can’t exist without the other in a direct way.
The close form of dependency means workers need capitalists for jobs. Capitalists need to exploit workers to keep their role. It’s ongoing and mutual but uneven.
Example: Factory workers rely on the owner for pay. The owner needs their labor to make and sell goods for profit. If workers strike, the owner loses money.
Hein Aung Zaw – Class Structures
- Reading 4.3 says the difference between owners and employees is about control. Owners control the resources and make decisions, while employees sell their labor for wages. For example, the owner of a grocery store decides prices and profits, but the cashier works for hourly pay.
- Adam Smith’s quote means that no matter how advanced machines or tools become, human labor is always needed. Labor is the real source of value because without people, nothing gets built or produced.
- I think the point of Reading 4.4 that class is not an identity makes sense. Class is not like race or gender. It’s more about your place in the economy — how much money you earn, the kind of job you do, and what resources you have.
- The idea of dependency in Reading 4.4 means owners and workers rely on each other. Workers depend on owners for wages, and owners depend on workers to keep making profit. For example, a restaurant worker needs a paycheck, but the restaurant owner needs workers to serve customers.
Ei Ei Moe – Discussion 4.2
- Reading 4.3 explains that owners live from investments and profits, while employees live from their wages. Owners don’t have to do the daily labor, but employees must sell their work to survive. For example, an Uber driver works for hourly pay, but the company owner earns profit from every ride.
- Adam Smith is saying that labor is always the base of wealth. Machines can help, but they can’t replace the work that humans do. Labor is what creates value and keeps the economy running.
- I agree with Reading 4.4 that class is not an identity. People may think of themselves as middle class, but what really matters is their economic position. Identity is who you are, but class is more about your relationship to money and work.
- The “close form of dependency” means both sides need each other, but not equally. Workers need wages to live, while owners need workers to make profits. For example, tenants depend on landlords for housing, but landlords also depend on tenants to pay rent.
Ekaterine Chirgadze-Discussion Board 4.2 Social class
Class Structures
Ariel Durham
- The differences between owners and employees are in who controls the production. CEOs and owners live off investments and their employees’ labor. Employees do not have any investments and are working for hourly wages. For example, the ceo for Uber ride share is the owner; he is not outside working, but his drivers are his employees.
2. Adam Smith is saying that no matter what machines or technology come about, human labor will always be around. They can only improve productivity by not thriving without humans. A machine can’t build a home; only human labor can produce this product.
3. I agree that class is not a label, but it is a structural relationship. But I think it’s subjective person to person. You can be working a decent job, working for wages, and just barely staying afloat. If you’re a landlord or business owner, then you have the resources to stay ahead.
4. It’s an unhealthy relationship where workers rely on the capitalists for jobs to earn wages, and capitalists rely on workers to generate revenue for profits. For example, you rely on your landlord for a place to stay, and the landlord relies on you for the income.
discussion post 4.2 Daniyal Khundmiri
- Parenti, in his book “Democracy for the Few,” Posits that the core difference between owners and employees is who is in control of the means of production. The owners, usually capitalists, do not sell their labor to survive; instead, they own businesses, factories, and profit from hiring workers who are forced to sell their labor. The employees, these workers, do not own any means of production and instead must earn a wage by working for someone else. An example of this is the owners of the garment factories in Bangladesh and the millions of workers the factories employ.
- Adam Smith argues that the labor behind any commodity is the real value behind it. Machines, land, and capital are important, but they only create wealth because human labor puts them into motion. So, even though owners reap huge profits, it is the workers’ hands and sweat that make everything possible. Labor is the foundation of all wealth but in capitalism, workers rarely get compensated in proportion to the value they actually create.
- I agree with Heideman claim that class is not just a personal label you wear, it is a relationship between power and economics, circumstances, and resources, for example For example, someone might identify as middle-class because they dress nicely or have a college degree, but if they’re one paycheck away from eviction, their actual class position is closer to working class.
- Classes depend on one another, although not equally; the workers depend on the capitalists for jobs and wages, and in turn the capitalists depend on the workers to generate profit and/or product. An often exploitative relationship and still a dependency.
Discussion Board 4.2
1. Distinction between owners and employees (Reading 4.3) and examples:
Reading 4.3 explains that owners and employees have different roles in the economy. Owners control the resources, like factories, land, or money, and make decisions about how work is done and how profits are used. Employees sell their labor for wages and do not control the resources.
- Example of an owner: A business owner who decides what products to make and how to spend the profits.
- Example of an employee: A cashier at a store who gets paid a salary but cannot make business decisions.
2. Understanding the Adam Smith quote (pg. 28):
The quote shows that labor is very important for creating wealth. Workers do the actual work that produces goods and services. Adam Smith is saying that without labor, there would be no products, no profits, and no economy. Labor is the foundation of wealth in society
3. Thoughts on Reading 4.4’s argument that class is NOT an identity:
Reading 4.4 argues that class is different from personal identity like race or gender. Class is about your position in the economy, not who you are as a person. People in the same class share economic experiences, like how much money they earn or their dependence on work, but it is not something you are “born into” in the same way as identiti
4. Understanding “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” (Reading 4.4) and example:
This means that workers and owners rely on each other, but in different ways. Workers depend on owners for wages to live, and owners depend on workers to produce goods and services. This creates a relationship where one side often has more power.
- Example: A restaurant worker depends on the restaurant owner for a paycheck, while the owner depends on the worker to serve customers and keep the business running.
