Discussion Board 3.2

RSA & ISA

Nan Wut Mone

1. A Repressive State Apparatus (RSA), according to Althusser, refers to the institutions and structures that enforce the power of the state through direct control, often using force or the threat of force. These include institutions like the police, military, prisons, and the legal system, which maintain order by repressing those who challenge the established system. Althusser calls it “repressive” because these apparatuses primarily use coercion, or the threat of punishment, to ensure obedience and compliance with the laws and rules of the state. The word “repressive” highlights the fact that these institutions rely on force to control the population and keep people in line with the existing power structures. For example, if someone breaks the law, the police or the legal system will intervene to punish or detain the individual, making sure that the societal order is preserved. An example of an RSA is the police force. When people protest against government policies, the police might step in to disperse the crowd or arrest participants if the protest is deemed unlawful. The role of the police here is to repress behaviour that challenges the state’s authority, maintaining control through the possibility or use of force. This enforcement of law and order is how the state exercises its power to maintain the existing social system.

2. Ideological State Apparatuses (ISAs), according to Althusser, are institutions that help keep the state in power by shaping people’s beliefs, values, and attitudes without using force. Examples of ISAs include schools, churches, the family, media, and cultural organisations. Unlike Repressive State Apparatuses (RSAs), which control people through force, ISAs influence people by subtly shaping how they think and view the world. ISAs promote certain ideas and values that match the interests of those in power. These ideas are spread through daily practices, social activities, and institutions, making people accept them as “normal” without questioning them. Over time, people adopt these ideas, which helps maintain the existing social order. For instance, schools are a major ISA. Besides teaching subjects, schools teach values like discipline, respect for authority, and hard work. These lessons help students fit into the social and economic system, making them more likely to accept their place in society without needing direct control or force. In short, ISAs work by influencing people’s minds and behaviors in a way that feels natural and voluntary, helping to maintain the existing power structures.

3. The main difference between Repressive State Apparatuses (RSAs) and Ideological State Apparatuses (ISAs) is how they keep control in society. RSAs use force or the threat of force to maintain control. Examples are the police, military, courts, and prisons. These institutions make sure people follow the rules by punishing those who don’t. RSAs focus on directly enforcing the state’s power through physical means. ISAs, on the other hand, control people by shaping their beliefs, values, and attitudes. Examples include schools, churches, media, and family. ISAs work in a more subtle way, making people accept certain ideas and social norms as natural. They don’t use force but instead influence how people think, which helps keep society in line without obvious pressure. In short, RSAs use force, while ISAs use ideology to shape how people think and behave, making them follow the rules more willingly.

4. An example of ideology at work is the Pledge of Allegiance recited in U.S. schools. Many students say the pledge every day, declaring loyalty to the country and its values. This is an example of an Ideological State Apparatus (ISA) because it shapes how students think about patriotism, national identity, and respect for the government. It doesn’t use force, but by repeating the pledge, students start to believe these values are normal and part of who they are. This is a clear example of ideology being reinforced through a cultural practice.

Discussion Board 3.2

What is a Repressive State Apparatus? Why does Althusser call it “repressive”? Can we explain his choice of words here. Give an example.

Repressive State Apparatus is controlling an individual through the threat of violence such as police, courts, and prisons. Althusser calls it “repressive” because the state has the power force you to physically behave. This also gives them power of control over the state.

Let’s do the same for the Ideological State Apparatuses. What are they, how do they seem to work?

Ideological State Apparatuses encourages individiuals how to behave by being influenced from the media, religious groups, family, and education. They chose not to follow through with violence unlike Repressive State Apparatus.

How are Repressive and Ideological State Apparatuses different from each other? What is the difference between the two?

The difference between Repressive and Ideological State Apparatuses are one uses force as a primary choice versus one uses violence as a secondary choice. He questions upon why individuals continue to obey laws and not rebel against them.

An example of repressive state apparatuses:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/20/nyregion/nypd-protests-settlement.html

Kinsey Martyn – Discussion Board 3.2

1. A repressive state apparatus or an RSA to Althusser, refers to specific institutions like the police, the military, and courts that will enforce the rules through the threat of force or the immediate use of it if not followed. The reason why he calls it repressive is because of how these institutions use coercion to ensure that people will comply with the norms and rules set in place, often resulting in those that do not follow these rules with punishment. An example of this can be the police arresting someone for breaking the law and therefore using force to maintain control and to uphold the balance. 

2. Ideological State Apparatus or ISAs are institutions in society that can shape people’s beliefs, their values, and their own behaviors through the use of ideology in comparison to outright force. Examples of these ISA’s include schools, churches, media, their own family, and other cultural institutions. The main way that ISAs work is that they spread ideas of people accepting beliefs that align with those in higher power. For example, in the video, “Althusser on Capitalist Ideology and State Apparatuses”, he discusses the concept of behavioral reinforcement in school through detention, or being removed from class and how that influences children to become obedient workers in a capitalist system. They’re doing it in subtle ways to make people change the way that they think without direct force. Unlike an RSA that enforces the order by using physical force, ISAs are using a separate way to change the thinking of students to conform to the norm. 

3. The main differences between Repressive State Apparatuses and Ideological State Apparatuses are specifically in the way that they maintain and enforce societal norms. RSAs consisting of the police, military, and courts follow a path of coercion and force to make individuals from defecting from the laws in place. It is a more physical approach, using direct power to keep them in line. ISAs however like schools, churches, and the media operate through ideology and persuasion by shaping people’s values. They are embedding specific behaviors to make them willingly conform to the laws and norms in place. They work with a more subtle influence to guide people on how to appropriately think and act. 

4. https://youtu.be/6AWTVvitlb0?feature=shared

Within this video it talks about the use of the Pledge of Allegiance, the purpose it serves, and a brief history of it’s conception. The pledge of allegiance can be used as an example of an Ideological State Apparatus specifically through the education system. The act of reciting the pledge can reinforce the values of patriotism, to develop their own loyalty to the state, and their identity to their own country. I believe that it could also lead to thoughts of American Exceptionalism due to the constant repetition of the pledge reinforcing the idea that the U.S. is a special and superior nation. 

Regina Welbeck – Althusser’s Concepts of Ideology

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A Repressive State Apparatus, as defined by the influential philosopher Louis Althusser, refers to the various institutions and structures that exist within a state, which works diligently to maintain order and control through coercive means. These institutions include the government, police force, military organizations, judiciary systems, and prison frameworks. Althusser uses the term “Repressive” because these apparatuses primarily operate through physical repression and the application of force to enforce the rule of law and to maintain the status quo of society, particularly in situations where ideological methods prove to be insufficient or ineffective.

Althusser’s choice of the term “Repressive” serves to underscore the direct and often overt use of power and coercion employed by these institutions to suppress dissenting voices and uphold the interest of the ruling class, which typically comprises those who hold significant economic and political power. Their primary function is to maintain the status quo by preventing, punishing, or suppressing any behavior or actions that challenge the existing social and political order.

The police force serves as a clear example of a Repressive State Apparatus. It operates effectively by enforcing laws, maintaining public order, and using force when necessary to prevent or respond to crime and disorder. The police are a visible and powerful symbol of state power and repression, often being the first line of defense against social unrest, protests, and dissent. This crucial role explains the repressive nature of Repressive State Apparatuses, as they ensure compliance and obedience through the threat or application of physical force, instilling fear in those who might challenge the established order. The presence of police in society acts as a deterrent to potential lawbreakers and can create an environment where individuals think twice before engaging in activities that may be deemed subversive or rebellious.

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    An Ideological State Apparatus is a concept introduced by Althusser that refers to the various institutions and structures in society that help to sustain and promote the prevailing ideology through non-coercive methods. In contrast to Repressive State Apparatuses, which enforce control through force – like the police or military – Ideological State Apparatus works by molding people’s beliefs, values, and social norms. They primarily operate through persuasion and influence rather than direct coercion.

    Althusser refers to these institutions as “Ideological” because their main function is to embed and strengthen ideology. He believes that ideology goes beyond a mere collection of ideas; it is a robust system that influences how individuals understand reality. By designating these institutions as ideological, Althusser highlights their role in molding people’s consciousness, ensuring that individuals adopt the values and norms that uphold the existing social order.  

    Althusser uses the concept of interpellation to explain how Ideological State Apparatuses works. Interpellation describes how ideology calls out to individuals, effectively positioning them as subjects within a specific belief system. When individuals respond to this call, they often do so without awareness, accepting their roles in the current social framework. In essence, people come to see themselves through the lens of the roles and expectations dictated by ideology, which in turn influences their identity and actions. Ideological State Apparatus functions through institutions like schools, churches, media, families, and cultural norms. These institutions “interpellate” people into specific roles and expectations. For instance, the educational system goes beyond imparting knowledge; it also reinforces values like obedience, punctuality, and respect for authority. In this way, it readies students to fit into the workforce and society, making these standards appear natural and unavoidable.

    The educational system is a significant example of an Ideological State Apparatus. While schools play a crucial role in teaching knowledge and developing essential skills, they also engage in the socialization of children, guiding them to accept and internalize certain social norms and values, such as the importance of hard work, the principle of meritocracy, and a deep-rooted respect for authority. These ideas not only shape individual behavior but also serve to reinforce and support the existing power structures within society, by instilling the belief that success is solely a result of personal effort and determination, schools effectively mask the structural inequalities that may limit opportunities for certain groups of people. This ideological function of the educational system plays a vital role in maintaining the status quo by making these values appear natural and self-evident, thereby discouraging critical examination of societal structures and inequalities.

    3. 

    Louis Althusser introduced the important concepts of Repressive State Apparatuses and Ideological State Apparatuses to illustrate how the state exerts control over society and its various institutions. While these two types of apparatuses operate in different ways, both are fundamentally designed to support and maintain the status quo.

    First of all, let’s look at the Repressive State Apparatus, this concept plays a crucial role in maintaining social order and enforcing the state’s overarching authority through the use of direct force or, at times, the mere threat of it. They operate primarily through mechanisms of coercion designed to ensure compliance and adherence to established laws and regulations. These apparatuses include various institutions like the police, military, courts and prison systems that are tasked with enforcing laws and controlling behavior through means of repression. Eash of these institutions plays a specific role in upholding the state’s authority and ensuring that societal norms are followed. The Repressive State Apparatus uses physical repression to ensure that individuals conform to the rules and expectations of society. When an individual disobeys the law, the police may intervene to arrest them, and subsequently, the courts may impose punishment in the form of fines, community service, or imprisonment. The primary focus of these apparatuses is to control behavior through strict enforcement measures and punitive actions, thereby deterring potential lawbreakers. For instance, if workers organize and protest for improved working conditions, the state may choose to deploy police or military personnel to disperse the gathering. This use of force is intended to maintain control and discourage further dissent or unrest. The presence of Repressive State Apparatus serves as a powerful reminder of the state’s ability to enforce its will upon its citizens, often resulting in a chilling effect on public dissent or opposition.

    On the other hand, Ideological State Apparatuses function primarily through the dissemination and reinforcement of ideology, which means they have a profound influence on and in shaping people’s beliefs, values, and behaviors without resorting to the use of direct force or overt coercion. Instead, they operate by means of persuasion, encouraging individuals to adopt certain views and ways of thinking. Ideological State Apparatuses includes a broad range of institutions, like schools, religious organizations, media, family, cultural institutions, and political parties. These institutions work collectively to shape an individual’s view of the world in a manner that aligns closely with the interests and priorities in maintaining the status quo. The operation of Ideological State Apparatus is characterized by the embedding of dominant ideologies into everyday practices and social norms, making these ideas appear natural, inevitable, and unquestionable. This process significantly shapes how individuals think and behave within society, leading them to accept and reproduce the existing social order without active resistance. It operates through subtle, often unconscious processes of interpellation, in which the broader societal framework. For instance, in an educational setting such as schools, children are taught not only academic subjects but also a range of values such as respect for authority, individualism, and competition. These values are systematically instilled in students, all of which serve to maintain the status quo. As these values are internalized by students’ overtime, they become ingrained in their outlook, making them less likely to challenge or question the established system that surrounds them.

    In conclusion, the Repressive State Apparatuses play a crucial role in ensuring compliance within society through various coercive measures and mechanisms. These apparatuses, which include institutions such as the police, military and courts, are designed to address and suppress and overt rebellion or legal violations that may threaten the established order. However, Ideological State Apparatuses operate in a different yet complementary manner. They work to foster adherence to societal norms and values through ideological means, such as education, religion, and media. Together, these apparatuses create a comprehensive framework that sustains the status quo and prevents significant social change.

    4.

    This image shows a church service in which a priest gives a sermon to the congregation. It serves as an illustration of Ideological State Apparatus operating, particularly in the context of religion. The church promotes moral values, encourages obedience, and fosters a sense of community, influencing individual beliefs and behaviors through ideology instead of force. The priest, as a representative of the church, acts as an authority figure who interprets religious texts and teachings, guiding followers in their moral and ethical decisions. In this way, the church operates as a powerful Ideological State Apparatus by instilling values that align with the interest of the dominant culture. It promotes ideas like sacrifice, charity, and adherence to social order, which can often translate into support for the status quo. While these values can have positive effects, such as encouraging community support, they can contribute to the maintenance of existing power dynamics and inequalities.

    Aniyah Kitson – Ideology

    1. Repressive Apparatus is an establishment or foundation that can use their power to inflict harm if people don’t obey authority. This is so the foundation can make certain complying at all times, while authority can also maintain power. Example: Police, Courts, and Prison.
    2. Ideological Apparatus is an institution that shapes how you behave so they can ensure obedience. Institutions as such work to remain the status quo, and for people to retain information, or train the brains to become obedient consciously, or subconsciously. Example: school and Church
    3. The difference between Repressive apparatus and Ideological apparatus is cause and effect. Repressive apparatus is the outcome of disobedience towards authority, so they’re able to control you through power. Ideological apparatus is the training part to inflict obedience so repressive apparatus doesn’t come into effect caused by disobedience.
    4. An example of ideology:

    https://www.imdb.com/video/vi3269722393?ref_=ext_shr_lnk

    This is a coming to age movie made in 1999 called “I’m A Cheerleader”, it’s about a girl who finds out she’s a part of the LBTQ community, and her parents are starting to suspect a change in her behavior. Her parents are very religious and don’t want to support her in her journey of change, so they send her to a program to convert her back to being straight. In my opinion, this would be an example of repressive apparatus, her actions caused the authority figures in her life (her parents) to take charge and seek change in an institution.

    ildri Pengu- Discussion 3.2

    1)What is a Repressive State Apparatus? Why does Althusser call it “repressive”? Can we explain his choice of words here. Give an example.

    Repressive state Apparatus is when the government uses force to keep people in line and to follow the rules. Althusser called it Repressive ideology because fear and violence is used to control the people.

    2) Let’s do the same for the Ideological State Apparatuses. What are they, how do they seem to work? 

    Ideology changes someone’s belief and shaping their morals and values those values. Institution include religion , media, culture, family structure. Children when they go to school. Adults when they go to church families with mixed background

    3. Post an example of ideology. This could be a piece of writing, an image, video, pdf document, visual art, or music, clip from a movie. Next to your example, specify if this is an example of repressive or ideological apparatuses at work. I’ll start us of off by giving an example.

    Marissa Ramos Torres-Repressive or ideological apparatuses

    Question #1

    Louis Althusser’s concept of repressive institutions, including the military, law enforcement, courts, and prisons, refers to state mechanisms that enforce compliance and maintain social order through force or coercion. These institutions shape ideologies through education, religion, media, and culture, often leading to severe consequences for dissent in authoritarian regimes.

    Question#2

    The Ideological State Apparatuses work by integrating prevailing ideologies into different social structures to influence people’s thoughts and actions, avoiding the use of coercion. They uphold power dynamics by promoting the acceptance of these beliefs through different generations. The likelihood of this answer being accurate is strong because it is grounded in well-known theories from credible sources in sociology and political theory. 

    Question #3

    The primary distinction between Repressive State Apparatuses (RSA) and Ideological State Apparatuses (ISA) is in their approaches: RSAs use force and coercion to uphold control, whereas ISAs employ ideology and socialization techniques to influence beliefs without overt repression. 

    Question #4

    An ideology is a collection of beliefs, principles, and thoughts that shape people’s perspectives on the world and their place in it. It can manifest itself in various forms such as literature, art, political discourse, and media. An evident example of ideology is present in George Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984,” published in 1949. This writing examines totalitarianism and explores how authoritarian regimes manipulate the masses. 
    In his novel “1984,” Orwell depicts a society controlled by a dictatorial government run by the Party, with Big Brother as its symbol of authority. The book delves into the themes of monitoring, restriction of information, and distortion of reality. The Party uses different tactics to promote its beliefs, such as utilizing Newspeak, monitoring with the telescreen, and changing historical records. 

    Louis Althusser’s theories explore how societies exert control over individuals, through the concepts of repressive and ideological apparatuses. Institutions like the police and military use coercion to ensure obedience, known as repressive apparatuses, while cultural tools such as education and media are used to promote beliefs and values, known as ideological apparatuses. 

    The Thought Police is a repressive tool that enforces loyalty to the Party, punishing dissent and monitoring citizens for any perceived subversive thoughts or actions.Ideological apparatuses, such as propaganda slogans like “War is Peace,” “Freedom is Slavery,” and “Ignorance is Strength,” are used to indoctrinate citizens into accepting a Party’s distorted reality.

    Evelyn Romero / Repressive vs Ideological

    1. Repressive state apparatus is when government uses the threat of violence to control. An Example would be police , courts and prisons to enforce when an individual is not trying to abide by the law in society. Repressive state apparatus is used to keep order , put people in line as Althusser stated.
    2. Ideological state apparatus is the complete opposite . It will not use violence but rather use another form of control . For example like Religion. When people believe in the lord they would be controlled in not wanting to disobey the lord therefore leading them to do the right things in society .
    3. Repressive state apparatus and ideological state apparatus are different from each because repressive would use the fear in violence. physically in using police to enforce and courts , prisons and ideological does not use physical violence.
    4. This is an example of Repressive state apparatus https://youtu.be/vOKhqabg-Ys?si=AoO63lKt3eQTe54R

    3.2 Module Discussion Board – Althusser- Tiffany Maldonado

    A repressive state apparatus is a term used by Louis Althusser to describe institutions and mechanisms that maintain social control through direct force and coercion. This includes the police, the military, and the judicial system. These apparatuses enforce laws and regulations by using physical power or the threat of it to ensure compliance and managing conflicts within society. Their primary function is to uphold the excising power structures and prevent or suppress any challenges to authority. Althusser calls it “repressive” because these institutions, like the police and military, use force and punishment to control people and maintain order, The term highlights that they enforce rules through direct pressure or threats, rather that just influencing people’s beliefs.

    An Ideological state apparatuses is a term also used by Althusser to describe institutions and practices that shape and influence people’s beliefs, values, and understanding of the world. Ideological state apparatus works through persuasion and socialization. Some examples include media, school, religious institutions, and family structures. These apparatuses promote and reinforce the dominant ideologies and norms or society, helping to maintain the existing social order by shaping how people think and behave.

    Repressive state apparatuses use force and punishment to control people such as the police and military. Whereas Ideological state apparatuses influence people’s beliefs and values through things like school, media, and religion. While Repressive state apparatuses enforce rules directly through coercion, Ideological state apparatuses shape how people think and understand their world. Helping to support and maintain the existing social order more indirectly.

    Repressive State Apparatuses

    Anivel espinal ideology 3.2

    Repressive state apparatus is a system built to control and keep people in line and they do this by showing violence and giving fear .Repressive state apparatus retrains freedom  by physically showing people what would happen if they don’t follow the rules.This organization consist of police,prison systems ,and the army all working together to keep control among people.

    Ideological state apparatus is a much softer form of authority control that starts from early age at schools. The Schools create obedient workers that follow rules and stay in line preparing them for adult lives.This softer system are at institutions like churches,family structures,and even in the media .Ideological state apparatus is more mental than physical control by giving you invisible options like voting for democrats or republicans or for much simple things like consumerism. 

    Repressive and ideological state apparatus are two distinct mechanisms of control that consist of The same goal which is keeping you in line .The organization starts with ideological state apparatus by enforcing a form of “that’s not allowed” among people and discreetly controlling what they can and can’t do. When the ideological state apparatus doesn’t work, that’s when repressive state apparatus come into play  by enforcing fear and showing what are the consequences of doing the “wrong “ things  .

    I chose this picture because we can see a upper authority controlling the people below without them noticing