Discussion 9.2

P. Williams writes in her essay that the war on terror is a new type of war. What’s new about it, and how is it different from traditional wars?

The war on terror is different because it doesn’t target one specific country or army but instead focuses on fighting terrorism globally. Traditional wars have clear enemies and battlefields, but the war on terror involves complex threats from individuals and groups across different countries, making it less predictable.

In what ways does the “Roving Wiretaps” of the Patriot Act seem to violate the Bill of Rights? Which amendment(s) does it seem to violate and why?

“Roving Wiretaps” might violate the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable searches. Normally, the government needs a warrant for each specific person or place. But with roving wiretaps, they can monitor different devices without getting separate warrants, which some see as too broad and a violation of privacy.

What about “Sneak and Peek” Warrants?

Sneak and Peek” warrants let law enforcement search someone’s property without immediately telling them. This also seems to conflict with the Fourth Amendment because people are usually notified of searches, giving them a chance to challenge them. Delaying this notice can be seen as limiting the right to privacy and due process.

Tatiana Reyes- Discussion 9.2

Patricia Williams argues that the war on terror represents a new type of war different from traditional wars. The war on terror does not constitute a war against an identifiable nation or group but targets an abstract concept known as terrorism. This concept is not linked to specific borders, armies, or resources. It is a war against fear, emotion, and uncertainty, where the combatants may be anyone or anything perceived as a threat. The new war is distinguished by legal and constitutional changes through policies such as Indefinite detention, secret tribunals, and erosion of civil liberties in the name of national security. These measures mark a new departure from the traditional wartime practices in which due process and accountability were cornerstones. The new war is pursued on the physical battlefields and in the minds of the citizens, where fear may lead to the breakdown of trust and tolerance for authoritarian measures.

The “Roving Wiretaps” of the Patriot Act violate the Fourth Amendment, which protects citizens against unreasonable searches and seizures. This amendment requires specificity in warrants, mandating that they describe the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized. Roving wiretaps allows a single court order to authorize surveillance across multiple communication devices without explicitly identifying the devices beforehand. This increases the risk of accidental surveillance of innocent individuals who may come into casual contact with the suspect.

“Sneak and Peek” also seems to violate the Fourth Amendment’s guarantee of timely notification in searches and seizures. Under this provision, law enforcement can delay notifying the target of a search. The lack of immediate notification could leave individuals unaware of potential violations of their privacy. Such invasive methods should be tailored to situations where public safety or the investigation is at substantial risk.

DB 9.2

 

  1. P. Williams writes in her essay, that the war on terror is a new type of a war. What’s new about it, how is it different from traditional wars?

According to P. Williams, the War on Terror is a new type kind of war because it’s about fighting an idea and not a specific country or clear enemy. The war against “terrorism,” is very broad and basically means a war against “anything that makes us afraid.” Williams calls it a “war of the mind,” which indicates that fear and not facts is a main reason for this war. This unclear enemy means anyone who the authority find suspicious can be targeted, giving the government more power to monitor, use surveillance, detain, and silence people, even if they haven’t done anything wrong all in the name of preventing “possible” threats.

2. In what ways does the “Roving Wiretaps” of the Patriot Act seem to violate the Bill of Rights? Which amendment(s) does it seem to violate and why?

The “Roving Wiretaps” section of the Patriot Act is violating the rights of the Fourth Amendment. The Fourth Amendment supposed to protect people from unreasonable searches and requires the government to be specific about what they’re searching and where. However, with “Roving Wiretaps”, a single court approval can cover multiple devices a suspect might use such as phone, tablet, computer, and any additional device of the same type, without naming each one in the warrant. Additionally, the government can monitor anyone who just happens to interact with the suspect, even if they’re not involved in anything suspicious. Although “Roving Wiretaps”, suppose to help catch people involved with terrorists, this section in the Patriot Act could possibly lead to innocent people getting spied on, which is clearly an invasion of privacy.

  1. What about “Sneak and Peek” Warrants?

The “Sneak and Peek” warrants of the Patriot Act also violate the Fourth Amendment. which aim to protect people from unreasonable searches and seizures by the government. Normally, if the government wants to search any personal items, they must have a warrant and inform the person, but with “Sneak and Peek” warrants, the government can search a person’s place without letting them know right away, which seems shady and clearly contradicts the Fourth Amendment. Although, in the beginning, “Sneak and Peek” Warrants were supposed to be used only for serious cases such as terrorism, where informing suspects could mess up the investigation, it is now allowing the government to use “Sneak and Peek” Warrants for any crime minor or major as long as it of interest to the law enforcement authorities. Obviously, this uncontrolled power, makes people worry it could be negatively abused by the government, crossing the line on privacy and transparency that the Fourth Amendment is supposed to protect them from.

Safayatul Islam – Discussion 9.2

1. Considering Williams’ analysis, the war on terror marks a profound shift in how we conceptualize warfare. Traditional conflicts have always had tangible elements – armies facing armies, contested territories, and resources being fought over. However, this new idea represents something far more abstract and psychologically complex. As Williams astutely observes, it’s fundamentally a “war of the mind” where the enemy isn’t defined by uniforms or borders but by the emotion of fear itself. This psychological dimension creates a troubling dynamic where, as she notes, anyone could potentially be classified as the enemy simply because they evoke fear in others. This complexity is perhaps best illustrated by Mike Reagan’s observation; “You might think the guy living next door is the most wonderful person in the world; you see him playing with his children, but in fact “he might be part of a sleeper cell that wants to blow you away.” The war’s psychological nature, focused on combating “unruly if deadly emotionalism,” makes its boundaries potentially limitless and risks transforming anyone into a potential threat.

    2. The Roving Wiretaps provision of the Patriot Act raises serious concerns about violations of the Fourth Amendment’s protections against unreasonable searches and seizures. This provision enables surveillance across multiple devices without requiring separate court authorizations for each device – a significant departure from traditional protections. While criminal wiretaps traditionally required verification that the person under investigation would use the device before tapping could occur, this provision removes that safeguard. Civil liberties groups have pointed out that the provision’s broad language could lead to privacy violations of innocent individuals who simply happen to come into casual contact with suspects. The lack of requirements to specifically identify which devices will be tapped or clearly identify suspects further weakens constitutional protections against surveillance overreach.

    3. The “Sneak and Peek” warrant provision of the Patriot Act presents another troubling challenge to Fourth Amendment protections. These warrants permit the FBI to conduct searches of homes or businesses without immediately notifying the target – a significant departure from traditional search warrant requirements. While secret searches were previously limited to counterterrorism and counterespionage cases, the Patriot Act expanded this power to encompass any crime, regardless of severity. Critics argue that such secret searches should only be permitted when immediate notice seriously compromises an investigation. Although the provision requires eventual notification to the target about the search, it allows for considerable delay in this disclosure. This expansion of secret search powers beyond serious national security threats to minor crimes stretches well beyond the Patriot Act’s original counterterrorism mandate.

    9.2 Discussion Board- Osama Farooq

    1. What’s new about the war on terror, how is it different from traditional wars?

    Patricia Williams points out that the war on terror is pretty different from the wars most of us learned about in history class. It’s not about countries fighting over borders or resources. Instead, it’s this huge, confusing battle against “terror,” which isn’t a country or a specific enemy you can easily point to. It’s like the enemy could be anywhere and is more about scary ideas than soldiers on a battlefield. This makes everything more complicated because how do you fight against something you can’t exactly see or define?

    2. In what ways does the “Roving Wiretaps” of the Patriot Act seem to violate the Bill of Rights? Which amendment(s) does it seem to violate and why?

    The “Roving Wiretaps” from the Patriot Act feel like they’re stretching the rules of the Fourth Amendment—that’s the one that protects us from random searches. Normally, if the government wants to tap your phone, they need to tell a judge exactly why and what they’re looking for. But with roving wiretaps, they don’t have to be so specific. They can tap any device you might use without proving each time that they have a good reason to do so. It feels like this could lead to a lot of unnecessary snooping because they don’t have to be as careful about respecting people’s privacy.

    3. What about “Sneak and Peek” Warrants?

    “Sneak and Peek” warrants let the police search places without telling the people right away that they’re doing it. This is another tricky area with the Fourth Amendment. Usually, if the police search your house, they have to show you the warrant and tell you what’s going on, which means you know your rights are being respected right then and there. But with these sneak and peek searches, they can come in, look around, and you might not know about it until later. It’s worrying because it seems like it could open the door for them to stretch the rules about what’s okay and what’s not without anyone watching.

    Discussion Board 9.2 Response (Marisol Beato Submission)

    1. P. Williams writes in her essay, that the war on terror is a new type of a war. What’s new about it, how is it different from traditional wars? The war on terror is a new type of war in the fact that it is a war against a civilian enemy (terrorists) rather than a military enemy (the military of other countries). Since this war is against a civilian enemy, this means that it is hard to determine who exactly the enemy is, since they look and act like every day civilians. On top of this, most acts that are done by the government in order to try to catch terrorists by surprise tends to violate the rights of the civilians who aren’t terrorists, which makes things difficult for both the government to deal with this and for regular people to live with their liberties without some sort of compromise going on. In the case of traditional wars, this is something that is not done. Last but not least, since the amount of terrorists is always unknown due to them blending with everyday civilians, this is a war that can last forever, which is different from traditional wars since the enemy country can be captured or surrender. Stopping one terrorist or one terrorist organization doesn’t stop others from doing what they want to do. It’s a battle of the mind rather than a direct battle of might. It’s also potentially possible for the government to abuse this idea in order to do what they want to the civilians that live within their country. 
    1. In what ways does the “Roving Wiretaps” of the Patriot Act seem to violate the Bill of Rights? Which amendment(s) does it seem to violate and why? The ways in which Roving Wiretaps of the Patriot Act violate the Bill of Rights is through violating the Fourth Amendment, which states that government officials require receiving a warrant in order to search or seize property. A wiretap, the ability for a government official to listen to a civilian’s calls made through some form of communication device, is also something that requires a warrant to do. The reason why the Roving Wiretap violates the Fourth Amendment is because Roving Wiretaps make it so that a government official only needs one warrant in order listen into a civilian’s conversations across multiple communication devices. This basically makes it so that the government official is bypassing the warrant requirement that is necessary in order to wiretap a communication device in the first place. This can also cause anyone who interacts with a suspect in a casual manner to have their privacy be violated. 
    1. What about “Sneek and Peek” Warrants? The ways in which “Sneak and Peek” Warrants of the Patriot Act violate the Bill of Rights is through violating the Fourth Amendment, which states that government officials require the person whose house they wish to search or someone whom the house owner trusts to be within the house when the search is conducted. The reason why “Sneak and Peak” Warrants violate the fourth amendment is because it essentially allows government officials to search a suspect’s house in secret. (meaning that the house owner nor somebody they trust is currently within the house and it is empty). This also means that potential abuses by the government are allowed to occur, like the potential planting of evidence within the house by the cops while no one is there, which could allow the cops to convict someone due to faulty evidence that can’t be proven as faulty. 

    Discussion 9.2

    1. The war on terror is different from traditional wars because your enemy can be anyone. Anyone can be a terrorist, and the country can choose to keep this war going on forever because there is no definitive “win”. The article states that historically anyone who protests government is believed to do it on behalf of a foreign government therefore they have had counterintelligence investigations opened on them. This can lead to the violation of several basic rights. Williams also emphasizes the danger of fear that this is a battle of the mind that can lead to the violation of civilian’s basic rights because when people know nothing, they suspect everything.

     

    2. The “Roving Wiretaps” of the Patriot Act raises concerns regarding violations of the fourth amendment which protects civilians against unreasonable searches and seizures and requires a warrant. Roving wiretaps allows law enforcement to monitor multiple communication devices without needing separate warrants for each device, this in turn lacks the specificity required by the fourth amendment. Also, this means that law enforcement can eavesdrop on the conversations of random civilians for which they have no right to listen to because it is a violation of privacy.

    3. “Sneak and Peek” warrants seem to violate the fourth amendment by allowing searches to occur without the property owner’s knowledge, this infringes upon the reasonable expectation of privacy in their own home and this also leaves room for the potential abuse of power. Law enforcement can place or tamper with evidence of they chose to do so.

    Discussion 9.2

    1.P.Williams writes in her essay, that the war on terror is a new type of war. What’s new about it, how is it different from traditional wars?-The war on terror is a new type of war because traditional wars are wars that are typically between nations, in which different nations send their own military force to fight against each other, and the typical reason for traditional wars starting are due to either fighting over things like territory, materials, political power, etc. On the other hand, war on terror is war on terrorist organizations, and how it is a global problem since terrorist organizations can exist practically anywhere. What P.Williams does talk about is how the war on terror affects things like civil rights and human rights, and how the war on terror indirectly can cause an increase in things like discrimination towards certain groups of people.

    2.In what ways does the “Roving wiretaps” of the patriot act seem to violate the Bill of rights? Which amendments does it seem to violate and why?-The Roving wiretaps seem to violate the bill of rights because it potentially violates the 1st and 4th Amendment. This is because the 1st amendment guarantees that all citizens have freedom of speech, but if people believe that they are being monitored, it may make people less likely to express themselves or have certain opinions, and it potentially violates the 4th amendment since technically the 4th amendment protects United States citizen from being searched without a warrant, or probable cause. In other words it protects us from unreasonable searches, but the problem is that if something like the “Roving wiretaps” allows the police to monitor devices without specifically specifying which device it will be, how many, or the location of device, which gives police the way to violate our 4th amendments rights in a way since if they do this they can track and monitor multiple devices at a time which could then lead to an unreasonable search.

    3.What about “sneak and peek” warrants?-Something like “sneak and peek” warrants also violate our 4th amendments rights since they can delay going to get a legal warrant that gives law enforcement probable cause to search and investigate since they can end up conducting searches without notifying what the goal of the investigation actually is. This in turn violates our fourth amendment rights since it allows unreasonable searches to take place.

    Marvin alexisDB 9.2

    1. P. Williams writes in her essay, that the war on terror is a new type of a war. What’s new about it, how is it different from traditional wars?One of the most notable differences is the nature of the adversary. In traditional wars, conflicts are usually fought between nation-states or organized military forces with clear hierarchies and boundaries. In contrast, the war on terror often involves non-state actors, such as terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda or ISIS. These groups operate transnationally and lack formal recognition as legitimate armies, making them harder to identify and target.
    2. In what ways does the “Roving Wiretaps” of the Patriot Act seem to violate the Bill of Rights? Which amendment(s) does it seem to violate and why? The Fourth Amendment protects individuals against unreasonable searches and seizures and requires warrants to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. Roving wiretaps allow law enforcement to surveil multiple communication devices used by a suspect without needing a separate warrant for each device. This can be seen as a violation of the Fourth Amendment
    3. What about “Sneek and Peek” Warrants?”Sneak and Peek” warrants, also known as delayed notification search warrants, allow law enforcement to conduct searches without immediately notifying the subject of the search. This provision, part of the USA PATRIOT Act, raises several concerns regarding potential violations of the Bill of Rights, particularly the Fourth Amendment and, to some extent, the First Amendment.

    Discussion Board 9.2 – Hector Lopez

    1. What makes the war on terror a new type of war is because it is a war that is fought internally against ourselves that cross the limits that we had once always protected. Old wars were always against an opposing threat outside the nation, however, after 9/11, the threat of a internal terrorist assaults’ cause the nation to change its prospective on our liberties. It made them change their idea that liberties are always protected, and allows them to violate them if they deem it a necessary action to ensure safety. Because this is a general term, its now makes it easier for the nation to unrightfully violate a persons rights and claim that its for a better cause. This new war we have internally is dangerous because it can cause a loss of trust between those who are be violated and our government.
    2. Rovering wiretap is such a violation of the bill of rights because it destroys both the freedom of speech in the 1st amendment, as well as the freedom to not self-incriminate of the 5th amendment. Its a direct violation of these rights because these wiretaps are placed without the consent or awareness of the defendant can lead to them having their words used against them in a way they didn’t intend on. When people speak with their lawyers they could be giving out information that will incriminate them however were under the idea that they were have a private discussion, and didn’t want those details to be public.
    3. Sneak and Peek warrants also violate the 4th amendment which is to be protected under reasonable search. The sneak and peek warrants allow the FBI to delay their warrant while obtaining legal entry into the house of a suspect. This directly goes against the amendment because it unconstitutionally goes against the privacy of a person’s home and the rights they have to their private property. The sneak peek gives the FBI that chance to surprise search the house if they consider it reasonable.