Tatiana Reyes-discussion board 6.1

The word “disenfranchised” means being deprived of rights, including the right to vote or fully participate in the political process. This term can also refer to those who are excluded from power and benefits within a society, such as poor or landless individuals, women (before suffrage), African Americans and other racial minorities (especially before the Civil Rights Movement), immigrants, and working-class individuals who did not meet property or tax qualifications. Many disenfranchised people were unable to vote or participate in politics because of property ownership requirements. Certain groups, like women and racial minorities, were excluded due to societal biases and legal barriers. In this context, the disenfranchised could also refer to the working or laboring classes.

Discussion 6.1-Anivel Espinal Fernandez

1.based on the arguments in readings 6.1 and 6.2 i noticed that social class haven’t changed as much as we expected . In 1787 times were more excluded and people were only seen of value or “worthy of power” if they had property and due to those times economic inequalities and the exploitation of slaves the right to vote was divided into 2 parts .The low income or working class at the time were described as slaves,servants,men with no property, and even women ; this people with economic disadvantages were taken away the right to vote because they “didn’t have talent of getting rich”. On the other hand the social class that were allowed to participate were the upper class “capitalist” before capitalist even existed .Men who had property were seen like the master minds and the only people who had a right to have a say on the process of writing the constitution .

2.In my opinion times have changed of course due to many equality movements in the past leading to women no longer being excluded or seen as less .In the other hand, society haven’t changed as a whole because we can all agree that upper class or capitalist have a bigger say in the country specially when it comes to politics for example in my opinion the special interest groups have a bigger impact in the united states than voters .

3. Generally ,The people who wrote the constitution were afraid of democracy because they were afraid that the people with lower intellectual economic abilities will have an opinion meaning they no longer could get exploited and manipulated into thinking they’re less .Also Real property holders economy relied on slavery and the only way for them to stay economically stable was to manipulate and explode the “working class or lower income “ meaning those people with economic disadvantages like slaves,women,men with no property , and etc..

Discussion Board 6.1

1. Based on the arguments presented in Readings 6.1 and 6.2, which social class wrote the Constitution, and which class was excluded and not allowed to participate in this process? In your comment, make sure you clearly specify the difference between the two classes by giving examples from the readings.

The Constitution was written by the wealthy elite, such as landowners and merchants, who wanted to protect their interests. The working class, including farmers and laborers, was largely excluded from the process and had no real influence.

2.Would say that the social class structure of early United States society, was the same as ours today, or different? Explain.

Honestly, the social class structure has changed a lot since then. Back in early America, you had a strict divide between the rich and the poor. Nowadays, there’s a larger middle class and more opportunities for people to move up, but we still deal with wealth inequality. So, while we’ve made some type of progress, the gap between the wealthy and everyone else is still a big issue.

3.Why were the people who wrote the Constitution so afraid of democracy? Hint: think about how to answer this question by discussing it in terms of social classes.

The people who wrote the constitution that were afraid of democracy because they thought giving too much power to an average person could threaten their wealth and status. They worried about “mob rule,” where the majority could overpower the elite. So, they created a system with checks and balances to make sure their interests were protected, reflecting their fear of losing control.

    Marvin alexis DB – 6.1

    1. Based on the arguments presented in Readings 6.1 and 6.2, which social class wrote the Constitution, and which class was excluded and not allowed to participate in this process? In your comment, make sure you clearly specify the difference between the two classes by giving examples from the readings. The framers of the Constitution were predominantly wealthy men, including figures like James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington. Or otherwise known as the founding fathers. These individuals had a vested interest in creating a government that would safeguard their economic interests and property rights. For instance, Hamilton’s Federalist Papers explicitly argue for a strong central government to stabilize the economy and protect commercial interests, reflecting the priorities of the elite. The process of drafting and ratifying the Constitution largely excluded those without property, including the poor, landless individuals, and women. The framers believed that only those who had a stake in the economic system i.e. property owners—should have a voice in government.
    1. Would say that the social class structure of early United States society, was the same as ours today, or different? Explain. Both periods feature significant wealth inequality. In early America, a small elite owned most of the land and resources, while the majority struggled with poverty. Today, wealth is also concentrated among a small percentage of the population, with the top 1% holding a significant portion of the nation’s wealth. Early society was predominantly white and male, reflecting the exclusion of various racial and ethnic groups. Today’s society is more diverse, with ongoing struggles for representation and equality among different racial, ethnic, and gender groups.
    1. Why were the people who wrote the Constitution so afraid of democracy? Hint: think about how to answer this question by discussing it in terms of social classes. The framers of the Constitution were concerned about democracy primarily because they feared that unchecked popular rule could lead to mob rule and instability, which they believed would threaten their social and economic interests. the framers  fear of democracy stemmed from their desire to protect their social class interests and maintain stability in a fledgling nation. They believed that a government should be run by educated elites who could make rational decisions, rather than by the masses, who they feared might act on impulse and disrupt the social order. This perspective shaped the structure of the constitution and the political landscape that followed.

    Discussion Board 6.1

     

    1. According to Articles 6.1 “..only property owning white males could vote, probably not more than 10 percent of the total adult population. Excluded were all native Americans, persons of African decent, women, indentures servants, and white males lacking sufficient property”  This excluded a majority of the people in which these crucial decisions were being made for. The article mentions this class of “gentlemen” and that “..almost all of them dread the efforts of the people to despoil them of their possessions..” Their main concern was not for the good of the people or the government. Their sole purpose in creating this system was to remain wealthy and keep those who were not so wealthy in check. 
    1. Would say that the social class structure of early United States society, was the same as ours today, or different? Explain.

    2. Just as George Washington wrote that a constitution was much needed to “to contain the threat of the people rather than embrace their participation and their competence” The working and low class people were portrayed as people who did not pay their debts and who advocated inflated paper money, this is similar to todays government. The democratic party is usually portrayed in the same way. This article states that small farmers were burdened by heavy rents, excessively high taxes, and low incomes. To survive they had they often had to borrow money at high interests rates and. This sounds a lot like society today, except instead of farm workers we are clocking into our 9-5 jobs and barely making it by. The rich want to stay rich, while the working class are scraping by. 

    3. The people who wrote the constitution were afraid of democracy because the upper class wants to have control of all decisions. A  democracy would mean letting the working and lower class have a seat at the table as well to be able to have that debate of the have and have-nots. The upper class was afraid that as the nation expanded the greater the variety of parties and interests and the more difficult it would be for everyone to be on one accord, specifically one that favored the wealthy. 

    Melissa Robinson

    1.The Constitution was written by the upper class/middle class which means the wealthy, the ones that own land and property of their own/ property holders. Lower class weren’t allowed to be part of the process. 

    2.The social class structure of early U.S society was different from now . Back then, everything and everyone were divided by groups . Lower class , middle class , high class . People weren’t allowed to vote only for certain people. Today , we have the right to vote no matter what class levels you are in and people have more opportunities.

    3.Constitution we’re afraid of democracy because they were worried that lower class might team up and gain to much power. 

    DB 6.1

    1. Based on the arguments presented in Readings 6.1 and 6.2, which social class wrote the Constitution, and which class was excluded and not allowed to participate in this process? In your comment, make sure you clearly specify the difference between the two classes by giving examples from the readings.

     

     

    According to the readings 6.1 and 6.2 the social class who wrote the Constitution were the elite class—white male who were wealthy landowners, merchants, and politicians who aimed to protect their interests. The lower class was excluded. These were the nonwhites, poor farmers, women, enslaved people (slaves and indentured servants). They didn’t have political rights and wealth, and they were not represented properly. Many men were disenfranchised due to property requirements, and women, nonwhites and enslaved people (slaves and indentured servants) didn’t have voting rights at all.

    2. Would say that the social class structure of early United States society, was the same as ours today, or different? Explain.

    In my opinion, the social class structure of early American society was very different from today class structure. Many individuals, such as enslaved people (slaves and indentured servants), women, and men without property, were legally excluded from voting and didn’t have political representation. The elite class was mostly composed of wealthy landowners and merchants, and today’s structure has layers like the upper, middle, and working classes. Additionally, today there is much more awareness for social justice, which almost did not exist in early America.

    3. Why were the people who wrote the Constitution so afraid of democracy? Hint: think about how to answer this question by discussing it in terms of social classes.

    The people who wrote of the Constitution (mostly wealthy and influential white men) were afraid of democracy because they thought the masses (especially the poor) would threaten their property and economic interests by challenging their authority and rebel against them. The founding fathers wished to create a government that is democratic is also protected against uncontrolled majority power.

    Stephanie Maracayo 6.1

    1. From reading the article I believe the upper middle class wrote the constitution. Most of the middle upper class people owned land and they were interested in protecting their property while also protecting their wealth and resources from the lower class which excluded them from receiving the same benefits the upper middle class receive.
    2. In my opinion I feel like it’s different from how it was in the past because in the past everything was dominated by people who were wealthy and owned land and if you weren’t wealthy then you were considered a lower class and you wouldn’t get the same benefits. Now we have opportunities to become wealthy by getting our education or starting a business.
    3. I believe they feared democracy because they felt worried about the lower class becoming wealthy and threatening their property because in their eyes it would cause class conflict.

    Jessica Guinea Chamorro:Discussion Board 6.1

    1. The constitution was crafted by the rich elite, the proprietors, the politicians, the merchants, the traders, and others. The lower class, such as the small farmers or laborers, was left out of the process. The elite crafted the Constitution to protect the elitist interests of power and wealth.

    2. Social stratification in the early days of the United States is differed from today’s, but there is a certain similarity. During the formation of the political system in early America, political power was firmly in the hands of the wealthy owners of the land. Today, there is an enhanced opportunity for broader segments of society to engage in decision-making through government, but this still remains in the hands of the rich through political economy.

    3. The writers despised democracy because they believed that the lowest ordinary bracket in society should not be empowered. They feared the people might take actions that would jeopardize their capital and investments. This fear of the lower classes is evident in the design of the Constitution, which restricted direct democracy as a form of governance.

    Discussion Board Questions 6.1 (Marisol Beato Submission)

    1. Based on the arguments presented in Readings 6.1 and 6.2, which social class wrote the Constitution, and which class was excluded and not allowed to participate in this process? In your comment, make sure you clearly specify the difference between the two classes by giving examples from the readings. The social class that ended up writing the Constitution was the wealthy, property-owning class (or the “gentlemen”), which consisted of the founding fathers. The social class that was excluded and not allowed to participate in this process were the non-wealthy, poor, propertyless and working social class. What made these two classes radically different was that the wealthy social class had forms of property that marked their wealth and power, which therefore gave them the ability to affect the law. The working class had little to no form of property that they actually owned, which in turn made them have no form of power and gave them no ability to affect the law. 
    1. Would say that the social class structure of early United States society, was the same as ours today, or different? Explain. I would say that the social class structure of early United States society is very similar to how it is today because just like in the past, the current era makes it so that the wealthy who own different forms of property that generate income for them have the ability to affect and change the law (since their money, power and influence grants them the ability to either run for positions of power or get the people that they desire to be elected into positions of power). While on the other hand, the working class, who have little to no property and no wealth don’t have the ability to affect the law due to their lack of power.  
    1. Why were the people who wrote the Constitution so afraid of democracy? Hint: think about how to answer this question by discussing it in terms of social classes. The people who wrote the Constitution were so afraid of democracy because they felt that democracy would be the main catalyst of the wealthy losing their income and the social order that they have worked so hard to established being destroyed. Democracy is what would give the working class a way to get power and make change, which would hamper the interests of the wealthy and would allow the working class to be the ones affecting the laws since they are the majority. Essentially, the whole power dynamic between the two social classes (wealthy and working class) would be flipped on its head, which is something that the wealthy class would not want in any regard.