Samid Sadeem Rahman Discussion 4.2

  1. What is the distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees? Give an example of each.

While owners and employees are dependent on each other, two major factors make them differ – their income and range of work. To be specific, the magnitude and source of income make them distinct. For instance, owners earn a significantly higher proportion income than employees as their income rely on investments, stocks, bonds and especially on the production done by their employees. While, employees earn from the wages they receive for being involved in production, from their employers. Contrary to stereotypical views, employees have to work a lot more than owners as employees are involved in the production. Owners earn by making their employees labor for them. An example could be factory owners who own the factory and factory labor workers who work and produce and the products which the owners sell and earn profits.

2. How do you understand the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28? What is it saying about labor?

In this quote, Adams emphasizes the fact that human labor is the most important factor for raising the standard of a commodity. It is human labor that makes commodities comparable. There would be no profits or money flow if there was no labor.

3. What are your thoughts on the main argument of Reading 4.4 that class is NOT an identity?
In Reading 4.4, the writer presents a compelling argument that class should not be thought of as an identity. In contrast to gender or race, which are routinely described in terms of individual experience and personal identity, class is deeply embedded in economic and social structures. It is not something that can be reduced to how one sees themselves, but to where they stand in a system defined by ownership, control, and access to resources. Class, as defined in the reading, emerges out of the relation people have to the means of production—those who own and control resources and those who do not. This dynamic is at the heart of the distribution of wealth and power in society. The reading is critical of the notion that class is just an identity because it suggests that class is something one can opt for or simply something based on lifestyle or shared cultural markers. But to Marxists and socialists, class is structural inequality—the way in which control of capital (factories, machines, land) determines a division of labor and economic power. The working class, for example, isn’t identified by shared culture or individual identity, but in their economic position: they are the ones who must sell their labor power in order to survive, with capitalists benefiting from that labor. Class, in this case, is an economic reality that comes into the lives of individuals and groups in concrete forms. This argument, I find, is beneficial in the present reading because it encourages us to think about class in a wider sense than our own or even other individuals’ concept of where we are. Pressure to a “class identity” might have the tendency to circumvent the real, material conditions structuring class relations and render them subjective experience or political declaration. Class is not something you choose to identify yourself with, and the way in which class functions in society is not a matter of personal experience but one of economic exploitation. The danger of collapsing class into an identity politics framework is that it may end up diminishing the more severe issues of power and inequality that are central to social change. It is not a matter of individuals wishing to identify themselves as “working class” or “middle class,” but matters of how power and resources are allocated, and how they are organized. By classifying class solely as an identity, it actually hides the collective and structural character of class struggles that confront all working people, including along lines of gender and race. In order to solve issues like poverty, inequality, and exploitation, we need to aim at the elimination of the capitalist system that creates these conditions, not just identity politics that have a tendency to ignore the overall systemic causes.

4. How do you understand the argument Reading 4.4. makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”? What is this close form of dependency, and can you think of an example?
A “close form of dependency” in class structures indicates the interdependency between the working class and the capitalist class. In a capitalist system, workers depend on employers for work, wages, and survival, and capitalists rely on workers for the labor of the workers to produce commodities and services that generate profits. The dependency, however, is not mutual—capitalists are stronger because they own the means of production and can determine the terms of employment. Workers, on the other hand, have little choice but to market their labor for whatever wage they can get, or else face poverty and unemployment. This dependence creates a condition wherein the working class is vulnerable to the wealth and power of the capitalist class.
Arguably the most obvious feature of this dependence is that it is not something which people choose—it is an inherent aspect of the economic system. The capitalist class does not rely on laborers out of choice, but out of necessity in an effort to safeguard their profits and control. The laborers, however, are dependent on the capitalists because the capitalist economy drives them into a situation where they have no option but to sell their labor for survival. This dependency is at the core of the nature of capitalism itself, which relies on the exploitation of labor for profit. In this system, the working class remains subordinate, despite their role to keep the economy in motion.
This reliance can be observed in the modern gig economy, where the workers-employers employment relationship is even more unstable. Gig workers—whether they are driving for Uber, delivering food for DoorDash, or working for Amazon—are possibly without job security or benefits. Their salaries are determined by the variable terms in the market, and not by fixed employment contracts. Here, workers are fully dependent on the platform for earnings, but the platform owners (e.g., Uber or Amazon) are dependent on workers to provide the labor that supports their businesses and yields them revenues. The companies can maximize their profit by cutting salaries, erasing benefits, or making the jobs more precarious, and employees have limited choices because of the dependencies created by the system. This is an example of how class relations and dependencies are not abstractions but tangible realities that shape individuals‘ ways of living. What strikes me about this argument is how successfully the normal invisibility of the relationship between workers and capitalists is revealed. In the standard workplace, there is a false appearance of equality—the employer provides the job, the employee does the work, and both benefit from the exchange. But beneath this facade, the capitalist class maintains grip on the resources and wealth fueling the system, while the working classes hang at their mercy. The fundamental dependence of the worker within the system ensures that change will appear so difficult to implement. Without a popular response, e.g., a labour movement, power rests in unbalanced hands.
The close 
dependence also reveals how hard it is to get out of class-exploitation. As a laborer, you would be trapped in your role, dependent on labor to cover costs, maintain family, and survive. Selection of a different career or profession is under the constraint of the capitalist economy that has put labor under subordination. And that is why solidarity action is so crucial—only by uniting and organizing can workers resist the power that is exercised over their lives by the capitalists. The gig economy is only part of the ways in which these dependencies are becoming more extreme, and thus is a representation of why the capitalist system must be interpreted as a power regime rather than simply separate exchange relations.

 

 

DB 4.2

  1. The reading in 4.3 suggests that the distinction between owners and employees is mostly capitalism vs the labor class. Owners get their source of income through various factors, such as stocks, bonds, rent, royalties, and other investment opportunities. In addition, they also own factories, land, and rights to an obscene amount of technology. In short, the owners own their means of income and the means of production. In turn, employees sell their labor in exchange for wages. They make a trade of working continuous hours in exchange for an hourly pay or salary. For example, Bill Gates is a co-founder of Microsoft Corporation. He is worth approximately 107.7 billion. His wealth was not accumulated in the same way as a regular worker would. He spent years investing money,  on top of owning a wealthy company. In comparison, an employee working as a customer service agent would get paid about $20/hr. 
  2. It is to my understanding that the quote by Adam Smith on page 28 regarding labor is an explanation that labor is the value of any product. In my interpretation, laborers are the key to amassing wealth, but not for the workers, but rather for the owners. Whilst workers may be trading their labor for wages, they are not fairly compensated. This is heavily implied to be the direct cause of capitalism, they are trained not to fight back against the distribution of wealth within capitalist systems. 
  3. My thoughts on the main argument in 4.4 are that class shouldn’t be held in the same limelight as identity. For it isn’t something you choose. Whilst it is a crucial part of your identity, it should not be seen as your identity.
  4. The reading in 4.4 argues that class structures depend on a “close form of dependency,” where classes are connected through mutual dependency. This isn’t just a loose connection but a tight, structural relationship where one class’s existence depends on another. For example, owners and tenants. Owners depend on tenants to rent or occupy a space, while tenants depend on owners for access to said space.

jayden cabreja 4.2

1.In Reading 4.3, Michael Parenti differentiates between owners and employees in describing the natural bifurcation of social class in terms of capital and labor possession. Owners are individuals or groups who own the means of production—businesses, land, or machinery—and gain wealth essentially from the fact that they own them. They gain from these things without necessarily doing actual physical labor themselves. An owner is a case of a CEO or big shareholder of a company like Amazon or Tesla. Employees, however, are individuals who do not own the means of production and must sell their labor for wages. They rely on their labor to survive and have little control over the wealth generated by the firm. A good representative example could be an office customer service representative or an Amazon warehouse employee. This comparison brings into sharp relief the disparity of power between those who exercise power over resources and money and those who provide the labor which enables them.

2.Adam Smith work argument is that commodities achieve real value through effort employed in production and selling and not through money. Effort employed in the acquisition of raw material, production, and selling provides a real value, he asserts. Effort employed in purchasing raw materials, production, and selling provides commodities with a real value. But the above passage is faulting capitalism on the grounds that the capitalist regime is such that the workers get hardly any share of the value which they produce. The remainder, i.e., the surplus value, is reaped by the masters and makes them rich at the expense of other individuals’ labor. This is exploiting workers who create enormous values compared to the sums they receive back in the form of wages, but their owners benefit from them without putting a whit of effort into it. The imbalance between the value that the workers producing value are worth and that which they receive in exchange is the disproportion at the very heart of capitalism, where wealth ends up for the most part in the owners’ pockets.

3.Paul Heideman, in Reading 4.4, disputes that class is an identity, but instead is a place within the structure determined by the dialectic between labor and capital. He disputes that individuals will associate with specific social classes by income or mode of living, but that class is actually determined by where one resides within the economic structure and not from one’s individual identification. That is, class is the relation of power between owners of the means of production and sellers of their labor, not something one identifies with. Heideman’s argument shifts the subject of debate from personal identity to class as a universal social and economic relation, as opposed to the idea that class is a question of personal perception. It reaffirms the assertion that class is deeply embedded within the very foundations of ca
pitalist structure, and understanding it means having a sense of the structural forces that are working to shape what people are doing economically, rather than who they believe they are.

4.In Reading 4.4, when it says that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency,” it is referring to how capitalists and workers are in close relationship with each other in a system of economic relations where the success of one depends on the labor of the other. This “near form of dependency” suggests that the capitalist class depends on the workers to yield profits, and workers depend on capitalists for a job and for wages. Interdependence is not mutual, but rather there exists a power discrepancy—the capitalist class holds the means and the profit, and workers depend on wages to survive. An example of such a dependent relationship is the one between workers and factory owners: the factory owners rely on workers for the production of goods and profit, while the workers rely on factory owners for a source of employment and income. In this situation, workers’ labor creates value but with most of the value taken by the owners, illustrating a dependent relationship that keeps the capitalist system afloat but widens inequality.

Discussion board 4.2

1.What is the distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees? Give an example of each.

– The distinction that reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees is that the capitalist class people or owners in this case lives off owning assests and investment and working class lives off working for wages or salary from their bosses. Most of the working class people is working for the capitalist class people to make their income .

2.How do you understand the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28? What is it saying about labor?

-Adam smith is basically trying to say that without labor or the working people there isn’t any real profits an industry or a company is going to make and without production they won’t have anything to sell to make money and contribute to the economy.

3. What are your thoughts on the main argument of Reading 4.4 that class is NOT an identity?

– My thoughts on the main argument of reading 4.4 that class is not an identity is that class isn’t a personal level, race, gender or idenitity it should be based on class relations.

4.How do you understand the argument Reading 4.4. makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”? What is this close form of dependency, and can you think of an example?

-I agree with the argument that class structures are built around close form of dependency because when you think about it most working people depends on their livelyhood from paycheck to paycheck provided by the higher class.

Jayleen Abreu – DB 4.2

1. What’s the difference between owner and employees in Reading 4.3? Give an example of each.

The main difference? It all comes down to work versus wealth. Owners are the ones calling the shots-they hand out the work and sit back while the money rolls in. Meanwhile, employees are the ones actually doing the heavy lifting, but they only get a fraction of the profit their labor generates. Owners are all about maximizing what they make while minimizing what they pay workers. Think of a big-time CEO who owns a chain of coffee shops-they make money whether they show up or not. But the baristas? They’re the ones grinding (literally and figuratively) every day to keep the place running while earning an hourly wage.

2. How do you interpret Adam Smith’s quote on page 28? What is it saying about labor?

Smith is basically saying labor is where the real value is-not money itself. We tend to think cash is king, but without workers actually doing the job, there wouldn’t be anything to profit from in the first place. The hustle, the effort, the skills-THATS what truly matters. If you strip away the workers, the economy would crumble because no one would be there to keep things moving.

3. What are your thoughts on Reading 4.4’s argument that class is NOT an identity?

I get why people feel like class is part of who they are. Erik Olin Wright said something that really stuck with me. “What you have determines what you have to do to get what you get.” That pretty much sums up the reality of generational wealth and opportunity gaps. Some people start life on third base while others are till trying to find the stadium. The article makes a good point-people in similar financial situations often bond over shared struggles, which makes class feel like an identity. When you grow up having to fight for every opportunity, it hard not to see it as part of who you are.

4. How do you understand the argument that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”? Can you think of an example?

It’s a two-way street, kind of like a weird, unspoken deal between the upper and working classes. The rich need workers to keep their businesses running and profits flowing, while workers need jobs to survive. But here’s the kicker: one side definitely has more power than the other. The owning class gets to set the wages, while the working class has to hope they’re enough to cover rent and groceries. It’s like a restaurant, without chefs, servers, and dishwashers, the place wouldn’t function, but the owners are the ones raking in the big bucks from the business.

Richard Williams- Discussion Board 4.2

  1. The distinction that is made in reading 4.3 between owners and employees is the capital and labor. For example, the text states “the owning class live mostly off investments, which include stocks, bonds, rents, mineral royalties, and other property income.” and “employees live mostly off wages, salaries, and fees.” Owners possess the power and ability to make decisions that impact the economy and the lives of employees. Employees unfortunately do not have this power and depend on their jobs to earn a living, making little to no decisions within their workplace. 
  1. The way I decipher the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28 is that labor is more valuable than money itself. Money is the end goal but labor is what drives economic growth. Wealth is built off of the labor of people working in various industries contributing to productivity. 
  1. My thoughts on the main argument of Reading 4.4 that class is not an identity is, class should not be seen in the same regard as gender or race. It should be referred to as a “structural position” because things like race and gender are inherently our identity and determine how we navigate through life. Structural position determines an individual’s place in society while taking their identity components into account. 
  1.  Close form of dependency refers to the relationship that exists between the owning class and employees. For example, the text states, “the socialist theory of class… highlights that workers depend on capitalists for employment, but capitalists also depend on workers to produce the wealth from which they generate profits.” This shows that  owners depend on employees to produce goods and services that will in turn make profits, while employees depend on owners to provide employment and wages.

Ghufran Bairouti- Social Class.

1- The distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees.

“Small businesses are just so many squirrels dancing among the elephants,” as Michael Parenti puts it in Democracy for the Few, underscores the imbalance of power between owners and employees in the capitalist system. The distinction between these two groups is rooted in their control over resources and their roles in wealth production. Owners, or capitalists, control the means of production, such as factories, land, or technology, and accumulate profits primarily through the labor of employees. Employees, in contrast, do not own these productive resources. Instead, they sell their labor in exchange for wages, often without much control over the conditions or outcomes of the work they perform. For example, a CEO or shareholder of a corporation benefits from the company’s profits, while a factory worker or service employee earns a set wage, dependent on the employer’s decision-making, rather than from ownership or control of the business itself. This creates a clear divide in economic power and wealth generation between the two groups.

2-UnderstandIing the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28:

Adam Smith says, “Labor… is alone the ultimate and real standard by which the value of
all commodities can at all times and places be estimated and compared. It is
their real price; money is their nominal price only.” This quote emphasizes the central role of labor in determining the true value of commodities, arguing that labor is the ultimate and real standard by which we measure value. According to Smith, while money is the price we attach to goods in the marketplace, it is labor the effort and work that goes into creating, transforming, and distributing a product that determines its true worth.

3- Class as NOT an identity (Reading 4.4):

In Class Rules Everything Around Me by Paul Heideman, the main argument that class is not an identity challenges the common perception that class is simply a personal or social label that people identify with. Heideman argues that class is not about how individuals see themselves or the lifestyle they choose, but rather about their position in the larger economic system and the power dynamics that come with it. For example, a person may identify with a particular class, but this self-identification doesn’t change their position within the economic system. As a result, the argument encourages a shift from viewing class as an individual identity to seeing it as a reflection of one’s role and power within economic and social structures.

4- Class structures and “close form of dependency” (Reading 4.4):

The idea that class structures are built around a “close form of dependency” means that different classes in society, especially owners and workers, depend on each other. This dependency is close because the success of the owners depends on the work of the employees, and workers rely on the owners for their jobs and wages. However, this relationship isn’t equal. Owners have more power because they control the resources and wealth. For example, in a company, employers need workers to create products or services, while workers need their employers for a paycheck to live. Even though they rely on each other, owners have more control over the money and working conditions, while workers have less control over their wages and work environment.

Jada Black Poll 100 Discussion 4.2

  1. The difference between owners and employees is their source of income. For example , owners make profits by owning and investing in products rather than working for wages. Employees sell their labor for wages. They depend on employment for income. Mark Zekelburg owns Facebook and profits from the company. A digital editor for Facebook earns a wages for editing the design of the app and much more.
  2. The quote by Adam Smith explains that labor is the foundation of economic production, but they don’t get the recognition of how important their work is. I completely agree with Adam Smith because without the workers , there would be no work products.
  3. My main thoughts on class is not an identity is that class is more about social relations rather than something people are born into.
  4. The argument that class structures are built round a close form of dependency means that social classes are connected through relationships driven by economic power. People’s positions within the class hierarchy are dependent on the actions, resources, and the labor of those in other classes.
    An example of close form dependency , is the relationship between owners and workers. Owners depend on workers to produce goods that will generate profit, while workers depend on owners to provide employment and wages.

Aamina Jabbar 4.2

1. Distinction Between Owners and Employees (Reading 4.3)

Reading 4.3 distinguishes owners as those who control businesses, capital, and profits, while employees sell their labor to make a living. Owners accumulate wealth through the work of employees, while employees rely on wages. An example of an owner would be the CEO of a major company like Amazon, while an employee could be a warehouse worker who packages orders.

2. Understanding Adam Smiths Quote on Page 28

Adam Smiths quote on labor emphasizes that workers are the foundation of economic production, yet they often dont see the full value of their work. To me, it highlights how labor is essential in creating wealth, but workers dont always benefit proportionally. It suggests a critique of how wealth is distributed in capitalist systems.

3. Main Argument of Reading 4.4 Class is Not an Identity

I understand the argument as saying that class isn’t just a personal label or identity like race or gender, but rather a structural position in society. Its based on economic relationships, not just personal experience. This means that even if people dont “feel” working class, their material conditions like relying on wages instead of investments determine their class position.

4. Understanding Class Dependency

When Reading 4.4 states that class structures are built around a close form of dependency, I take it to mean that different classes rely on each other in an unequal way. Workers depend on employers for wages, while employers depend on workers to generate profit. An example of this is how fast food workers rely on their jobs to pay rent, but the company owners rely on those same workers to keep operations running and generate revenue. This dependency is what maintains class divisions.

Aliah Diaz Discussion Board 4.2

1. What is the distinction that Reading 4.3 makes between owners and employees? Give an example of each.

The main difference between owners and employees is their forms of income in which the owners live off of investments that include stocks, bonds, rents, etc and the employees strictly live off their wages and salary. An example of an owner is Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, who heavily invested his funds into the tech world and became one of the richest people in the world. An example of an employee is quite literally anybody in the working class who isn’t in the investment markets or sprouting into the markets of online money or just simply someone who relies on their job for income. 

2. How do you understand the quote by Adam Smith on pg. 28? What is it saying about labor?

From my understanding, the quote by Adam Smith explains that labor is the actual value of any product even though money shows the cost, labor shows the value. This quote states that something’s worth is determined by the labor put to work on it and not necessarily the price. 

3. What are your thoughts on the main argument of Reading 4.4 that class is NOT an identity?

I understand where the socialists are coming from when they say that class is not an identity because they are just trying to break down the societal hierarchy of capitalistic views of class. The socialists believe that the capitalists control the economic system and make inequalities for the working class therefore if they break that down they may have a chance of improving the lives of the working class.  

4. How do you understand the argument Reading 4.4. makes when stating that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency”? What is this close form of dependency, and can you think of an example?

I agree with the argument, that “class structures are built around a close form of dependency” because the working class heavily relies on the capitalist class for employment while the capitalists rely on the labor from the working class in order to make their money. An example of this could be Jeff Bezos and Amazon because he relies on the workers to keep the company running smoothly and the workers rely on him to pay them. It’s a typical boss-and-employee dynamic. The boss relies on the employee to do the work so that the company stays strong and the employee needs their money.