We should probably stop using zoom

[benjamin haas]

I want to put it out there that zoom is collecitng a lot of data about us, and I am not here for that.

https://twitter.com/heresysquad/status/1241868063806382082
https://twitter.com/Ouren/status/1241398181205889024

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/what-you-should-know-about-online-tools-during-covid-19-crisis
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zoom-mac-its-wider-implications-fennel-aurora/
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjdnmm/working-from-home-zoom-tells-your-boss-if-youre-not-paying-attention
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/k7e599/zoom-ios-app-sends-data-to-facebook-even-if-you-dont-have-a-facebook-account

How to remove from your MAC: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xpma/how-to-remove-zoom-from-your-mac

Jits-meet would be an open source alternative: https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/

I will still host tomorrow’s meeitg in zoom but perhaps we can have a group change over.

[benjamin haas]

Here is another list of alternatives:

https://mayfirst.coop/en/post/2020/content-alternatives-live-meetings/

mumble: https://www.mumble.info/. (just voice chat)
jitsi-meet (https://support.mayfirst.org/wiki/web-conference) folx say it works best if you download the app (for desktop ios or android)

I am also not in love with discord : https://www.tomsguide.com/us/help-me-toms-guide-discord-permissions,review-5104.html
(I know I set up all these tools, but I was seeking moving fast over security, and that was a mistake):

I think Riot might be a good alternative: https://about.riot.im/
some others: https://www.privacytools.io/software/real-time-communication/

[Natassia]

I downloaded Discord from that very first time we met on Zoom I was wondering when we were going to make the switch. I strongly think we should take our meeting sessions there plus its so user friendly.

[benjamin haas]

hey Natassia,

my thought about discord was that it would always be a place where folx could hang out between meetings because it is mostly a text and audio chat plat form, and it can run even when I amnot there. If folx want to move our conversations there I would be happy to, but think we should get some more voices in on this choice.

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